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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke

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masses

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yeah man

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let's do this

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spade to black

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2019 15 days into the new year just

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350 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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apparently it's taco tuesday

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if i'm judging

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judging from the tweets that are

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flooding in already good evening

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great week on the show

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that's right great week tonight

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linda moulton howe joins us

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we've got a lot to talk about tonight

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with linda and uh we're gonna go over

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um some of the big stories for her in

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2018 and certainly she closed out the

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so i'm going to go and visit these uh

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very important research topics for her

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taking a look ahead into 2019 all right

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so that's what we are going to do

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is to get her out of the box

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her opinions and her thoughts and how

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some of the most amazing conversation

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uh ever on fade to black and we are

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gonna do that again tonight tomorrow

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night robert shock is joining us

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there is so much that is going down

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right thursday night is another fader

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night open lines all night long now

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uh here and now um i'm gonna try to get

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this ready by fader night is a new phone

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and it's all about importing and moving

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trying to get it done all right okay so

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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that's what you want to do come join in

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on the conversation tonight

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f2b is the sandbox

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that was brutal last night i just did i

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did i just gave up so anyway new chair

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where'd the sunglasses oh that's what

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uh that's a funny pick okay you guys are

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too i i keep forgetting that uh you guys

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can take uh screenshots

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uh with the bunker camp and it's uh

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pretty funny okay all right where am i

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at head over to jimmychurchradio.com our

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our new blazing website is up and flying

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and it's great so go and visit us over

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there and then you can also follow like

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accounts uh they are all over there of

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course twitter j church radio we have

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two chat rooms one over at uh spreaker

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f2b is the sandbox you can also email

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tonight or any other night during the

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let's get to this man this new chair

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this thing's cool

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know it doesn't it's just it's a racing

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chair right so it doesn't it doesn't

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anymore lots of breaking news let's get

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to it a top north korean negotiator

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gets with reality tv i know that i am

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doing uh breaking news here i'm not

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today we're going to vote you

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also breaking news and this may have

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uh gotten away from you if you didn't

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catch it well you're gonna catch it now

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right mainstream media is not covering

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to give infowars a place on its platform

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according to roku the company has no

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commercial relationship with infowars

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and does not censor

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while open to many voices we have

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policies that prohibit the publication

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of content that is unlawful incites

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illegal activities or violates

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third-party rights among other things

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if we determine a channel violates these

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policies it will be removed to our

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knowledge infowars is not currently in

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violation of these content policies and

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memory serves

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correct that was the position of twitter

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that was the position and they tried to

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look what happened in the end

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we shall see but for now

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that's a really really really big deal

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uh speaking of roku let's swing things

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over to netflix

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wow this is a conspiracy show right well

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i'm covered

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uh there's conspiracies going on

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currently

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okay it's a lot of talent that's a lot

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of production not only stars but it's

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everything else that goes with it the

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production teams you have video sound

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editing all of that stuff sets

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builders contractors it's it's crazy

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right

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well you got to pay for that stuff

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and netflix announced today that it is

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going to raise prices for its current 58

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million us subscribers

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over the next three months

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netflix most popular plan will go from

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eleven dollars per month to thirteen the

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cheapest streaming plan will go from

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eight to nine dollars while the premium

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plan

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rises to 16

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per month up from 14

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there you go there ain't no free lunch

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there ain't no free lunch you know and

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there you go okay ah

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let's see let's uh

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let's just move on how's that let's just

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move on

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this uh

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where am i at here where am i at

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uh

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okay

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uh tonight

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is episode number two of project blue

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book on the history channel

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and it's the flatwoods monster tomorrow

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night i will review it

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okay

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so i'm going to leave that go also i've

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got a new chair in the bunker yay that's

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our breaking news

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and also

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our very own the one and only

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michael loaming

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michael ming and dan berman

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they have a

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image comics uh publication a title

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called six

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and six

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six six is in development

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for tv

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through amazon

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and circle of confusion studios

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under the new title

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13 yes it's gone from six to 13.

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13

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will follow a ruthless alien et agent

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who tracks 12 alien fugitives to earth

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but who develops human emotion

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ultimately leading

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i can't tell you the rest of it that

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would just give it away

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can't tell you that but i know it

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oming and berman will produce alongside

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writer stephen jaworski who will also

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write the script and michael dinner

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that's d-i-n-n-e-r not denner michael

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dinner

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who will direct the pilot

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congratulations michael you are the

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absolute very best and for uh those of

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you out there

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that uh know michael ohming

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and and his comics uh his artwork he's

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he's one of the best on the planet

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seriously hands down but he's also the

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artist behind our fade to black stuff

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that's right

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little thing with me with uh sunglasses

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on right stand up that's michael ohmig

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he's an absolutely amazing artist and

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he's been with uh fade to black since

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the very beginning so congratulations

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michael uh you deserve it man and i

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cannot wait for it all right also

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breaking

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this sunday we will be at the crystal

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matrix

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that's january 20th

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and we're going to be hanging out with

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carolyn ford and einstein the ancient

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crystal skull

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the address for that is 3215 glendale

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boulevard in atwater village just right

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next to the city of glendale and the

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phone number there you need to hey thank

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you look at michael that's what i'm

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talking about right there

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michael owning listening to the show

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[Applause]

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that gets a retweet thank you so much

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michael

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and uh two oh man i forgot about that

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that's hanging in the bunker

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there you go

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all right michael mc thank you for that

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that got a retweet

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um this sunday uh the crystal matrix and

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the phone number uh for that which you

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have to do

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uh to make arrangements uh to get out

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there the phone number is three two

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three

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six four four

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seven six two 7625 we will be there for

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the ceremony and i want to hang out all

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afternoon and i'm just going to go and

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sit down with einstein and have a

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conversation come and hang out with us

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wear your fade to black t-shirts we'll

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take a team picture

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okay that's the crystal matrix this

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sunday

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i will be at the namm show

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on friday

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january 25th the namm shows the national

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association of musical merchants

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music merchants and this takes place

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every year down at the anaheim

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convention center it's the biggest

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retail music convention uh in the world

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all year long it's huge

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and so come down and hang out with us

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normally i am there on saturday

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this year i will be there on friday

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january 25th and if you are attending

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namm this year at the anaheim convention

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center hit me up on twitter post i will

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be posting where i am at at namm all day

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in real time

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uh and the reason why we had to move it

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from saturday to friday i'll be at the

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tascam booth and definitely going to be

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over at fender too as well a couple

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other booths i will make those

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announcements as they happen but the

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following day saturday i think the

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weekend i will be

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over hosting coast to coast am so that's

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why we had to move everything from

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saturday back to friday for the namm

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show all right then right after that

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00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:53,600
come join us 2019 conscious life expo

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00:18:58,950 --> 00:18:56,160
in los angeles california at the lax

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hilton february 22nd through february

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25th linda moulton howes going to be

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there our guest tonight she will be

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there of course because this year we are

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celebrating the 50th anniversary of

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chariots of the gods with eric von

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daniken and linda will be joining me

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friday night for the panel with eric

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jason martel billy carson and rabbi

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ariel bar zadok okay so definitely

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make plans for that and all you have to

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00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:28,160
do is go over to jimmychurchradio.com

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00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,160
click on the conscious life banner you

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00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:32,559
can go and find out about tickets and a

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00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:34,880
full conference schedule everything is

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available over there it's going to be an

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amazing conference okay it's at the lax

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hilton

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february 22nd through the 25th all right

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and then after that

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man we've got such a busy year this year

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contact in the desert may 31st through

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june 3rd in indian wells palm springs

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california at the renaissance indian

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wells resort and spa

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tickets and info contact in

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thedesert.com of course linda moulton

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how will be there too as well last year

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um okay so this year i will be we've got

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three events going on friday night will

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be fade to black broadcasting live

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saturday night i will be hosting the

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awards dinner okay and you can get

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tickets and info for the awards dinner

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at consciously or at contact in the

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desert dot com and then sunday night

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i'll be hosing hosting the hosing i will

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be hosing i'll be hosting the closing

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night ceremonies and panel

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all-star panel by the way and that'll be

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sunday night so we've got a busy

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busy weekend at contact in the desert

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all right don't forget to subscribe to

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our podcast it's just two dollars a

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that's right simple to do especially

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with our new website go over to the

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membership section and become an

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happy birthday to

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today

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tool guitarist adam jones

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is 54 years old and that dude is a playa

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adam jones today is 54. on this day in

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history it went down

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2009

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sully sullenberger

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performs the miracle on the hudson when

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he safely landed the plane he was

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piloting on new york city's hudson river

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on this day in 2009 fader fact

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you ready

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one

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in every five adults

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believe

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that aliens are hiding on earth

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disguised as humans

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and that

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is your favorite fact you know kevin

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thank you for posting that picture

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because if you look really close

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that's my elvis presley mug

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right there

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that's a that's a great shot

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from courtesy of lynn man i miss lynn

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and you do you think she's listening

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00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,000
right now lynn lewis

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you think she's listening to us

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you know she is

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that's a cool picture right there

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that's it the elvis mug

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see that's one side the other side says

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elvis and then on the inside so when

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you're drinking your coffee right

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you're drinking

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right inside the lip can you see it it's

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his signature

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that autographed right there so you get

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yours truly

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all right

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here and i cannot wait for this

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conversation i i know uh a little bit

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about where we are going tonight and

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it's going to be

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absolutely amazing so stand by linda's

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going to be here in a few short minutes

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now um

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today

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and it got me to thinking

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and this is how my brain works

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um i should ask linda about this tonight

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because she's so smart you know i'm not

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smart

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but is this

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and i mentioned this a a few months ago

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on the show

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all right

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which is this

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if somebody you know it's amazing how

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atoms

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make up everything doesn't matter right

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the elvis mug adams

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right

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me

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how they connect

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make up different things right

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so

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that thinks

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and laughs like us

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and like this elvis

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coffee mug

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what's the difference because if

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somebody sat next to you you're lying in

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bed and somebody sat next to you

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and picked you apart with a pair of

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tweezers right adam by adam

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and just made a pile of atoms over here

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eventually you would dissolve down into

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nothing right

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you know they just picked you apart

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pile of atoms

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where do you go

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your consciousness

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your mind your memories

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they're now gone

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right

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i would think so i don't think you're

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alive anymore

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but what happens with everything what's

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the difference and then reassemble those

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atoms into

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same thing

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right and i'm driving today

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actually

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thinking about this and i was thinking

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about it because of food

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a burger don't ask me how or where but i

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see a burger

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and i started i was like wait a minute

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wait a minute here

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if atoms make up everything

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the same atoms that make up the car that

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i'm driving

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so

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if you could disassemble

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something

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and

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reassemble it into something else now

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not not

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not making it up it's almost like 3d

602
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printing almost right but 3d printing a

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burger would be next to impossible i

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would think take you forever

605
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3d printing food or 3d printing water

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right okay but the idea is this

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why can't we

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take

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a rock a rock

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see you wouldn't want and and turn that

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rock into something

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like a cheeseburger

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why can't you transform these atoms

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into a cheeseburger a rock into a

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cheeseburger you wouldn't want to

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transform your harley davidson into a

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cheeseburger that'd be a gross

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misuse of atoms and that's not what i'm

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referring to but what if you could take

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dirt

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rocks and transform them into

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right

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it's just atoms

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that you know and and if we think about

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all of the technology that we're putting

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into different things and different

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ideas

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i'm talking about something that

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apparently to me seems very simple

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00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,640
why can't we disassemble and transform

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disassemble

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00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,159
and transform

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it would fix everything

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am i right about this

635
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so think about that for a second

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and i think that as i bring all of these

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intelligent guests on over the next year

638
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right never trust in adam they make up

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everything exactly what i'm saying right

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what if i

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00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,520
asked this question of every guest

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get an answer out of them

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or

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could it be

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00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,679
something that is a project that is

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being worked on by darpa

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sandia

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lawrence livermore

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cern

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seems simple to me

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it really does

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and that's why this is fade to black and

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that's how my mind works all because i

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was driving around in the rain today you

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can see i'm wearing a jacket again

656
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:05,520
tonight it's freezing cold over the next

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uh 24 hours they are actually saying

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here in southern california it's been

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raining uh for a few straight days

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almost a week almost two weeks straight

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that over the next 24 hours we're gonna

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per

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think about that

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and it never rains in southern

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california right well here we go

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church on the game changer

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network and kgra the planets this is

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fade to black

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tonight linda moulton how is with us

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tomorrow night dr robert m shock right

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here thursday night open lines all night

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long

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so there you go and i do want to remind

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everybody this sunday we will be out at

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the crystal matrix

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right here in southern california over

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in atwater village

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and we've got all the information up

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there on twitter so we'll see all of you

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00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,679
over at the crystal matrix on sunday but

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tonight it's linda she's here kicking

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00:34:12,629 --> 00:34:10,720
off 2019 with us she is a graduate of

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00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,639
stanford university with a master's

782
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,879
degree in communication she has devoted

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her documentary film television radio

784
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,280
writing and reporting career to

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00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,839
productions concerning science medicine

786
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,159
and the environment she has

787
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,560
earthfiles.com she has her own radio

788
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,480
program with john burroughs right here

789
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,440
on kgra she's on coast to coast am

790
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,919
ancient alien since its first season

791
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:36,560
she's got a series over at gaia called

792
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,760
truth hunters but and most important i

793
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,520
have to take a deep breath

794
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,760
because she has traveled to

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venezuela peru brazil england norway

796
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,000
france switzerland the netherlands

797
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,040
yugoslavia turkey ethiopia kenya egypt

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00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,119
australia japan canada mexico the

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yucatan and puerto rico

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tonight we are going to cover the

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00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,960
biggest stories for her of 2018 and of

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00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,880
course we're going to take a look at

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00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,400
2019

804
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,880
and what it means for our community and

805
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,480
disclosure i would like to welcome back

806
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,720
to fade to black the one and only linda

807
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,800
moulton howe linda good evening how are

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00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:14,480
you how was your new year

809
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,760
hey jimmy well it was

810
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:21,040
kind of like the way that 2019 is taking

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00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:21,920
off

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00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,359
so much was going on right up to

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00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,400
fireworks going in the sky where i was

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on the 31st

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00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:33,760
and then then very next day it was

816
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:36,079
picked up with i was getting phone calls

817
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,200
from people about mutilations

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00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:40,880
about booms

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00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:43,920
about something that was in the sky and

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00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,040
i thought this is the perfect metaphor

821
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,240
new year's day and it doesn't quit even

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00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,560
on a vacation at the beginning of a year

823
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:55,599
i've it's really been unrelenting

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00:36:00,150 --> 00:35:59,280
and the the feeling that i have right

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00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,160
now

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is from politics to the geophysics of

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our planet

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00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,760
that this is lining up maybe to be a

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00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,240
really tumultuous year

830
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,760
where they there might be more seismic

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00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:16,400
events as well as all the political

832
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:19,119
problems and it's kind of like that

833
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,079
feeling

834
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,119
get on the bucking horse and hang on

835
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:25,200
because this is going to be one heck of

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00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,400
a year now uh i want to go back actually

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00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,520
uh to the beginning of uh 2018

838
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,280
we're getting ready to if you can

839
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,560
believe it

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00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:37,839
uh next month uh you will be with us at

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00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,000
uh conscious life expo and and uh

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00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,560
so once again uh we

843
00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:47,119
are at conscious life and i wanted to go

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back to

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00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:52,079
uh where you and i and our minds were

846
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,040
one year ago when uh ttsa disclosure the

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00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,920
new york times you know the last

848
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:01,839
conscious life expo we had a different

849
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,640
mindset going on about what 2018 was

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00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,160
about to do

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00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:08,800
right and and and and the excitement

852
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,079
that we have

853
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,160
this year yeah it was like it was going

854
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:14,400
to blow up right right after the new

855
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,839
york times and the big surprise is that

856
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:20,160
it hasn't and remember i've said this to

857
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,079
you on the last time i think i was on

858
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,599
your show that i had two bets

859
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
with two different people that we would

860
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,520
get that headline we're not alone in

861
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:30,880
this universe

862
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,040
on or before new year's day 2019

863
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,440
and i had a wonderful time paying off

864
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:38,800
those bets

865
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:43,280
but i'm going to re-bet for uh 2019

866
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,040
because jimmy can you imagine

867
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,320
going on any much longer no with this

868
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,920
whole planet

869
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,560
living such a concocted lie that we are

870
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:57,200
alone in this strange universe i cannot

871
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:00,640
forgot to it has to open up for the

872
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:03,920
strength of humanity if we are on a

873
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,880
planet where the politicians lie

874
00:38:16,829 --> 00:38:07,599
and

875
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:16,839
that everything is built on

876
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,640
concoctions that serve power brokers and

877
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:24,160
maybe even non-humans but we're not on a

878
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,720
planet that is serving the general human

879
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:27,839
human

880
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,040
no not at all and the

881
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:33,440
the question that i have for you are the

882
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,880
bets for 2019 double or nothing are you

883
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,640
all in

884
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,280
i well i made two bets i'll tell you

885
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,079
that and i happen to know a physicist

886
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,800
who has also made a similar bet but i

887
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,440
will always uh respect his request for

888
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,280
anonymity sure and

889
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,000
i say that to underscore

890
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,720
that among people who actually know

891
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,960
about the alien presence and have known

892
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,119
about it for decades

893
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,079
they are themselves

894
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,760
i'm talking about physicists i'm talking

895
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,640
about people who have worked inside on

896
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:10,320
the black programs having to do with

897
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,000
back engineering of non-human technology

898
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:15,520
and all of it

899
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:19,040
they can't quite believe that we are uh

900
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:23,280
to 2019 now and that this whole huge big

901
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,680
truth has not come out there's a lot of

902
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,119
people i know from the inside who

903
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:29,520
thought it would be out by now

904
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:33,359
what do you think caused the

905
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,119
the foot being taken off of the gas

906
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,680
with disclosure in 2018

907
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,520
there didn't seem to be any excuses

908
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:43,680
right we were there you know and we were

909
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:47,680
very excited about it what happened uh

910
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,190
based on what i've been through in the

911
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,359
last 22 years

912
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,040
trying to get to the bottom of the

913
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,280
bismuth magnesium zinc layered metal

914
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:02,880
that art belt

915
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,720
received first in a box of pure aluminum

916
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,960
and then about three weeks later we got

917
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,280
the business magnesium zinc and he

918
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,359
called me up right when he got the box

919
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:15,119
and said linda would you please

920
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,119
investigate this and i have been doing

921
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,280
it for 22 years

922
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,200
going on the 23rd

923
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:22,720
and

924
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:28,240
filling a notebook

925
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,359
with all of my ink at that time i was

926
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,079
hand writing all of the comments and

927
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,560
when i was interviewing people like an

928
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,040
exotic metals manufacturer in new york

929
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,079
city that i was referenced to and i

930
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:43,839
remember calling him and i was

931
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,359
completely green i knew zero

932
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,640
and i

933
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:50,560
all i did have at that point when i

934
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,680
called him was a scientist who had

935
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:55,119
helped me with

936
00:41:02,470 --> 00:40:55,920
the

937
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,480
composition and we knew that we had

938
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:04,480
pure business

939
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,680
alternating with a magnesium zinc alloy

940
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:08,960
that was uh

941
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,800
90s i think it was 96.4

942
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,560
97 point

943
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,760
in magnesium and the rest was some zinc

944
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,800
and

945
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,560
when i called him up i said i've been

946
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,960
referenced to you because i have an

947
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,359
unusual medal i didn't front end

948
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,920
anything about ufos ets or anything

949
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,480
right i just said i have an unusual

950
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,200
metal it appears to be layered

951
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,359
and here are the elements that i have

952
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,760
been able to learn so far and told him

953
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,000
about the bismuth and the magnesium zinc

954
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,480
and i said they're layered at a nano

955
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:46,079
level the bismuth is one to four microns

956
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,680
the magnesium zinc is 100 to 200 microns

957
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,560
and they alternate like a tort cake and

958
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,119
i remember this man started laughing and

959
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:57,599
it was kind of a sardonic laugh and he

960
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:00,960
said nobody puts magnesium and business

961
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,760
together you can't do it it will

962
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,520
delaminate

963
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,000
immediately it will never stay as a

964
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:09,440
structure

965
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,359
so the world in 1996

966
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,400
even hearing the composition

967
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,960
of the business magnesium zinc

968
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,040
back in 1996

969
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,520
it didn't exist and there's a whole lot

970
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,040
of other things that i had labs and

971
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,040
people that they

972
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:31,599
they did not recognize this

973
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,480
and

974
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,680
sort of

975
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:38,640
can anybody i said this uh with our bell

976
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,359
a dozen times on the air

977
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,400
is there anybody in the world

978
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,920
who would like to volunteer to try to

979
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,960
make to duplicate this medal

980
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,839
no one ever has to this day

981
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,920
and so now

982
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,319
one of the things that i learned in this

983
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,040
process up to the 22 years

984
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:03,520
started about uh

985
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,560
four no it goes all the way back to 2012

986
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,280
it was when hal put off had the medal

987
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,520
for the second round he's had it three

988
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:13,680
times

989
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:17,119
and in his analysis it was around that

990
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,240
period of time 2012 to 2013 that we were

991
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,000
all beginning to really hear about

992
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,720
terahertz frequencies in relationship to

993
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,200
ufos and uaps because

994
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,359
of that huge report that had been done

995
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,640
in the uk

996
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,000
uh unidentified aerial phenomena

997
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,839
science and technologies about 460 pages

998
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,160
and it had not been released and nobody

999
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,800
knew about it but nick pope had sent a

1000
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:47,119
few pages to john burroughs

1001
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,240
because

1002
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,720
john was very ill after we got back from

1003
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:53,280
the ancient aliens production in england

1004
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:54,400
in 2000

1005
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,720
we got back uh new i think we got back

1006
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,119
new year's eve or new year's day going

1007
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,440
into uh 2011

1008
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,240
and uh within a very short period of

1009
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,280
time upon returning he became ill and he

1010
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:09,760
kept getting more and more ill

1011
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:13,280
and then the doctors at the va in

1012
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,319
phoenix were diagnosing that

1013
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:17,839
he was having

1014
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,560
liquid in his lungs and

1015
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:23,440
uh he was in the hospital and all those

1016
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,599
things happened and nick pope i believe

1017
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,359
was the first one

1018
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,520
sent some pages

1019
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,040
from what we didn't know at the time was

1020
00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:35,599
this huge report

1021
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,640
that we would learn about by

1022
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,359
2013

1023
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,200
having to do with

1024
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,760
terahertz frequencies

1025
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,680
and their impact

1026
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:48,079
of the paragraph in this report that

1027
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,240
says in the rendelsham forest incident

1028
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,640
that there were and they don't say

1029
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,319
terahertz in the paragraph but they're

1030
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:59,520
referring to the frequencies emanated

1031
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,040
by uaps as the uk government calls them

1032
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,079
unidentified aerial phenomena and we've

1033
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,560
always called them ufos in the united

1034
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,880
states it's one in the same

1035
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:13,680
that the uaps emit

1036
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:16,839
frequencies that can manipulate human

1037
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:20,880
minds and damage human tissue

1038
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,240
those are the words in this report

1039
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,000
and then we learn

1040
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:28,640
that it had gone to the ministry of

1041
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,319
defense by the uk defense intelligence

1042
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,160
55 staff

1043
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,040
having to do with a study having about

1044
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,000
technology frequencies and and a lot of

1045
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,040
uh facets of the ufo phenomena and had

1046
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,000
been hand delivered to the minister of

1047
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,640
defense in 2000

1048
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,280
and then for reasons unknown

1049
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:53,599
in 2006

1050
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,079
it was quietly changed from uk eyes only

1051
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,880
unclassified but nobody knew about this

1052
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:03,920
in 2006. nick pope said he didn't even

1053
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,440
know they had been unclassified but nick

1054
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,079
and others began to help

1055
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,440
when we got into this crucial year of

1056
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,839
2012

1057
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:18,480
as john burroughs was getting sicker and

1058
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,920
sicker and the doctors couldn't

1059
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,960
understand and nick sent uh some of

1060
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,000
those pages from this report and then we

1061
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:28,800
received information from hal put off

1062
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:32,240
and others and eventually

1063
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,280
it was the bottom line as john has

1064
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,680
talked about in his own

1065
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,560
voice

1066
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,280
on the radio and in presentations

1067
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:44,319
it was a help that came from behind the

1068
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:45,280
scenes

1069
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,800
to va doctors and said

1070
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:50,000
you must

1071
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,119
operate

1072
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:54,319
and you must replace his mitral valve

1073
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,400
because when you open him up you will

1074
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,280
find

1075
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,640
that the anterior and posterior leaflets

1076
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:02,319
that control blood flow through the

1077
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,359
heart

1078
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,760
will be very damaged

1079
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,599
and on december

1080
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:08,400
uh

1081
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,960
18

1082
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,760
2013

1083
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,800
uh john burroughs went into the hospital

1084
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,280
for open heart surgery

1085
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:20,480
and the next day

1086
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:24,960
his attorney pat frisconia was there and

1087
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,760
what pat frisconia in a discussion with

1088
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:29,520
one of the doctors

1089
00:47:38,550 --> 00:47:34,960
never seen such a shredding a

1090
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:38,560
deterioration of these leaflets in the

1091
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,839
mitral valve in the organic mitral valve

1092
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,359
ever before

1093
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,720
and he said

1094
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:47,280
if we had not replaced

1095
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,560
john burroughs mitral valve today

1096
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:52,480
i don't believe that he would have

1097
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:57,040
survived another 24 or 48 hours wow now

1098
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,520
why is this all important

1099
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,040
it's because

1100
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,079
in the mitral valve and in the heart the

1101
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:06,880
heart is the most chambered

1102
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,720
organ in the human body chamber means it

1103
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,280
has empty spaces

1104
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,480
empty spaces are where something like

1105
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,680
terahertz frequency or frequencies can

1106
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,000
then vibrate the tissue

1107
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,720
if you get vibration of the tissue this

1108
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:26,559
is how you get damage

1109
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,880
so of all the organs in the human body

1110
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,119
probably the number one or number two

1111
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,520
spot that might go back and forth

1112
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,680
between possibly

1113
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,480
another organ but it would most likely

1114
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:41,839
be the heart

1115
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,200
because it is a chambered organ would be

1116
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,359
the number one

1117
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:50,800
organ to be most damaged by a specific

1118
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,520
frequency or frequencies of terahertz

1119
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,119
john burroughs

1120
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:57,920
is the only human body

1121
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:01,280
that is known between december 26

1122
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,119
and december 28th of 1980 in rendelstrom

1123
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,160
forest

1124
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,880
at the big raf bentwaters woodbridge air

1125
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:11,200
force base which at the time was nato's

1126
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,240
largest

1127
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,720
and it had tactical nukes on both sides

1128
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,880
of the base we know that today it was

1129
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,880
one of the best kept secrets in the

1130
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,640
world back then

1131
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,680
and

1132
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,839
there were witnesses

1133
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,160
on both december 26

1134
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,319
and december 28th

1135
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,280
that john burroughs was engulfed

1136
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,800
twice

1137
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:34,640
by light

1138
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,559
and adrian bustinza on that uh december

1139
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,720
28th night

1140
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,680
john burroughs and adrian and i have sat

1141
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,480
for a very long time with adrian telling

1142
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:49,200
us about his detailed memory and he has

1143
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,000
uh

1144
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,319
been one of the guys who

1145
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,240
is reluctant

1146
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,720
to tell everything that he knows and saw

1147
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,160
but he did go on the record on this part

1148
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,800
for us on phenomenal radio

1149
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,319
that

1150
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,040
the deputy base commander

1151
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:09,680
colonel charles halt

1152
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:12,640
had given john burroughs permission that

1153
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,800
night under very unusual circumstances

1154
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,599
to walk toward the light

1155
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,760
the lights because they were multiple

1156
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,000
right instead

1157
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,680
to john

1158
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,119
yes

1159
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,839
you may go toward the lights because you

1160
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,640
might draw them to us

1161
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:35,040
and john never forgot that

1162
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:36,559
and

1163
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,520
colonel

1164
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,400
uh

1165
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,760
halt then said and and called like like

1166
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,160
if it already was prepared with a flip

1167
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,880
of the hand adrian bastinza who was a

1168
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,800
buck sergeant came running

1169
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,599
and

1170
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:52,000
halt said i want you meaning adrian

1171
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,680
bistinza to go with airman

1172
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,079
burroughs airman first class burroughs

1173
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:01,920
so now john is walking with adrian

1174
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,359
colonel halt and 12 15 other men are

1175
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,280
there watching

1176
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,280
and adrian said

1177
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:11,920
as they were getting closer and closer

1178
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:15,200
to whatever these multiplicity of red

1179
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,640
orange white and blue lights were

1180
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,559
that all of a sudden

1181
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:23,040
mrs adrian's quote

1182
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,440
the lights pushed me to the ground

1183
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,160
quote unquote that's adrian bastinda

1184
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,839
next to john the lights pushed me to the

1185
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,640
ground and i saw

1186
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,760
john engulfed by the lights

1187
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,440
so that's what happened the second night

1188
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:43,680
the first night was jim pettiston who

1189
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,640
saw this blast of light and john

1190
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,200
burroughs he he never saw john for

1191
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,280
another 45 minutes

1192
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,400
and so

1193
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:54,800
of all of the people who were at raf

1194
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,480
bitwaters the one person on the record

1195
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,200
seen by witnesses to be engulfed in

1196
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,359
light twice there's only one and that

1197
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,599
was john burroughs so now

1198
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:07,119
you jump then

1199
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,480
to we go on the 30th anniversary with

1200
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:13,280
ancient aliens crew and we're in england

1201
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:16,800
uh from around december 23rd or

1202
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,720
something until we left on the

1203
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:23,119
somewhere around new year's eve

1204
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:24,400
and

1205
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,480
we were back on the field walking in the

1206
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,520
forest

1207
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:31,760
on that same ground

1208
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,960
we were with winston keach the brilliant

1209
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,240
engineer

1210
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,880
an i.t analyst and he brought a

1211
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,800
tri-field meter and where we were

1212
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,280
walking in that big field right along

1213
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,160
rendelsham forest where john and jim

1214
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,280
patterson

1215
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,680
thought that they hit a place that

1216
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,359
somehow

1217
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,920
it sort of set off their memory bells

1218
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,319
that maybe we were in the right place

1219
00:53:03,109 --> 00:52:59,280
but it means that john was walking on

1220
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,119
that same land 30 years later

1221
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,319
and we had the tri-meter

1222
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,280
was going off the beep was

1223
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,520
high it was pegging it was pegging with

1224
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,720
that alarm beep and it happened on the

1225
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,119
first night we were there the next night

1226
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,920
third night winston was able with

1227
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,920
infrared and

1228
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,680
other he was running two or three

1229
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:26,240
frequencies in video and still

1230
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,440
photographs

1231
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,599
and we were able to capture

1232
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,160
red orange balls of light

1233
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:34,480
blue balls of light mixed in some of

1234
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,559
them in exactly the area where we were

1235
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,839
walking

1236
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:41,599
but we never saw

1237
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,480
any of these lights with our retina not

1238
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,880
our human eyes it was in these other

1239
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,960
frequencies that winston keach was

1240
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:50,880
running all of this photographic

1241
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:54,319
equipment and we got all of these lights

1242
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:56,480
in these images

1243
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,720
and later on when

1244
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,200
john started getting so sick

1245
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,200
it was a question and it will never be

1246
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:05,760
answered we will never know

1247
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:08,880
was there still something that kept

1248
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,760
setting off the tri-field meter

1249
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,400
that is still there

1250
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:16,880
and that whatever it was that john

1251
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:19,359
burroughs was exposed to as a 20 year

1252
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,240
old

1253
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,480
back in 1980

1254
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,760
that when we were there in 2010 on the

1255
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,000
30th anniversary

1256
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,119
that it either interacted with

1257
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,599
or made worse a condition

1258
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,920
we will never know but that question

1259
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,280
hangs there

1260
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,079
why did he become so sick within two to

1261
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,760
three weeks of our returning from

1262
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:44,160
england and all of this

1263
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,280
is a very important context

1264
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,839
for the questions that all of us should

1265
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,400
be being taught on this planet and not

1266
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:54,160
being lied to

1267
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,440
that we are

1268
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,960
clearly dealing

1269
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,520
with intelligences and technologies that

1270
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,319
are highly advanced that that was the

1271
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:05,040
whole point of the december

1272
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:09,440
16th 2017 new york times that the fleer

1273
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:12,240
camera that david fravor was operating

1274
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,839
and got the tic tac uh the other video

1275
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,440
of the other one

1276
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,720
that if that they were saying as skilled

1277
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,000
pilots

1278
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,680
that they um

1279
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:25,040
the speed

1280
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:26,400
and the

1281
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,680
uh angles and what was happening by

1282
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:31,839
those objects that were caught on their

1283
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:33,040
infrared

1284
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,160
astounded them as human pilots

1285
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,599
and that the conclusion is a human could

1286
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,680
not have been in

1287
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:43,119
any of what was

1288
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:46,319
videotaped because we wouldn't survive

1289
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,440
now

1290
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,319
so whatever we're dealing with for uh

1291
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,359
years

1292
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:52,720
centuries

1293
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,240
millions of years probably

1294
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,680
it

1295
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,319
has technologies

1296
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,680
that human

1297
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,280
tissue

1298
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,440
and human minds

1299
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,599
can be affected by

1300
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:10,240
either damage or no damage what the

1301
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:13,119
difference is i don't know and i know

1302
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,200
that there are doctors and scientists

1303
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:17,440
who have been studying this for at least

1304
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:21,119
50 or 60 years not they started not long

1305
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:22,799
after world war ii

1306
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,040
and there's all of this information and

1307
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,440
all of this knowledge

1308
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:30,400
and yet we in the general public of the

1309
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,520
world

1310
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,200
we are still told

1311
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,200
that there's no evidence

1312
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,119
of any other consciousness in this

1313
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,160
universe the disconnect

1314
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:43,680
is so schizophrenic and so absurd in

1315
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,880
2019 that i cannot believe jimmy that it

1316
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,760
that this lie can continue especially

1317
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,440
when humans

1318
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,079
our fellow humanity

1319
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:57,119
deserves to know what our governments

1320
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:59,119
and power brokers know

1321
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:01,839
about the intelligences what are

1322
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,640
friendly what are neutral and what are

1323
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,520
unfriendly those are basics that every

1324
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,680
human should know on this planet yeah

1325
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,359
and we're getting ready to find out and

1326
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,480
this is the thing we're going to head

1327
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:13,920
towards a break right here linda so

1328
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:17,200
let's do that now but as is

1329
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,799
you know starts to break and i think

1330
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,359
that we are there in 2019

1331
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,280
this time around they're not going to be

1332
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,880
in control they're not going to be in

1333
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:27,040
control the paradigm shift is going to

1334
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,680
be uh away from them

1335
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,440
it's not going to be anything that they

1336
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:33,200
can handle and that will cause the

1337
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,319
response

1338
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,000
that's my gut feeling and that's why we

1339
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,599
were so close in in 2018 all right our

1340
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,160
guest tonight i know we were close uh

1341
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,640
our guest tonight is linda moulton howe

1342
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,480
and when we come back

1343
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,559
we've got a lot of stuff to discuss from

1344
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,880
uh 2018

1345
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:53,280
and i don't know where i'm gonna start

1346
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,000
but i have the sneaky suspicion i think

1347
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
i'm going bob lazar let's do bob lazar

1348
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,920
after the break linda you're cool with

1349
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,960
that

1350
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,720
yeah let's do bob

1351
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,400
we'll be right back

1352
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:06,000
with linda multnow it's fade to black

1353
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:08,190
i'm yours jimmy church stay with us

1354
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,440
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01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,230
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,680
your host jimmy church tonight linda

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01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:01,760
moulton how is with us

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01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:05,040
helping us kick off 2019

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01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,240
tomorrow night

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01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:10,480
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01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,960
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01:03:17,029 --> 01:03:14,160
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01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:17,039
follow linda at earth files very simple

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right there on twitter

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01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,200
and linda right before the break as we

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01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,680
start to look at 2018 one of the things

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01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:24,640
that

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01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:28,319
uh stands out uh for me is the

1461
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:31,039
resurfacing of bob lazar now

1462
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,760
you haven't seen the new documentary

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01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,039
right

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01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,200
i have not you haven't seen it so you

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01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,839
can't comment there which is fine

1466
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:41,680
but the question that i would have for

1467
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,200
you at this point is bob uh comfortably

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01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,760
went away for 25 years right he walked

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01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,160
away from from everything moved to

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01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,319
michigan continued with his company and

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01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,240
and led the quiet life

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01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,440
why why do you think uh the time was now

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01:04:03,190 --> 01:03:59,920
for him to resurface and and do this

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01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,200
documentary why would he do that

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01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,000
well probably because of what we are

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01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:07,760
sensing and have been

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01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,160
since uh at least december of 2017

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01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:14,319
that everything is shifting toward

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01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,160
finally opening up the truth that we're

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01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,000
not alone in this universe

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01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:21,599
and that uh if i were bob lazar

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01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:24,799
and had been attacked as unmercifully as

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01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:27,599
he was and i think incorrectly

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01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,200
that this is the time to try to write

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01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:34,079
the truth i mean i i'm second guessing i

1486
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,839
haven't talked with him for a long time

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01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:36,799
but

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01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,640
back in the 1989 1990 time period uh 88

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01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,880
actually going back is when john lear

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01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:46,720
and bob lazar

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01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:49,599
were calling me on a regular basis

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01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,920
talking about what was happening at area

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01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,760
51 and the

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01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:56,880
mountain above and the night

1495
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:59,680
kind of staying up at night to watch for

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01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:01,599
the ufos and lights

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01:05:04,990 --> 01:05:02,400
and

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01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:05,000
it was uh

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01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,119
1990 that i was 89 to 90 i was in

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01:05:14,470 --> 01:05:11,680
atlanta working for cnn

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01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,480
uh and turner on an environmental

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01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,440
television series called earthbeat

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01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,520
and it was uh

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01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:21,200
that spring

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01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:24,160
that bob lazar said why don't you

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01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,839
come out

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01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,599
to las vegas

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01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:29,280
around memorial i think it was memorial

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01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:30,640
day weekend

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01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:34,000
and uh it was going to be george knapp

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01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,280
and

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01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:36,720
bob lazar

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01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:40,000
and john lear and a group of people

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01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:43,920
that uh he said we we can talk and and

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01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:47,440
go through some of the issues and uh and

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01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,599
that's so i did and in the process of

1517
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,440
being able to

1518
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,000
spend a lot of uninterrupted time

1519
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,599
listening to bob's point of view

1520
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,920
it boiled down to

1521
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,880
his

1522
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,559
saying then

1523
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,799
that all of the attacks about him

1524
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:08,799
claiming that he had a

1525
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,200
degree from mit

1526
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,480
were wrong that he wasn't adopted a lot

1527
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:16,319
of people don't realize he was an

1528
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:19,839
adopted child and his parents didn't

1529
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,960
have uh the money to put him into some

1530
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,200
of the colleges that his high school

1531
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:27,760
buddies they've been nerds and loved uh

1532
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:30,559
taking cars apart and doing electrical

1533
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,200
things and so some of these best friends

1534
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:35,599
he said had gone to some of the better

1535
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:38,880
schools up in the northeast and that he

1536
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:40,880
uh he bob lazar

1537
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,760
not being able to do that decided that

1538
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,559
he would visit in some of those classes

1539
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:48,400
where his friends were

1540
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,760
listen uh and that that is when he had

1541
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:54,240
discussed what he had learned at mit not

1542
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:55,920
that he had a degree

1543
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,480
let me jump out linda if i may let me

1544
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,440
jump in real quick um you are an

1545
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,359
investigative journalist and reporter

1546
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:05,839
and especially at that time

1547
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:08,799
your your radar is up and

1548
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,920
how was your radar operating with bob at

1549
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:13,520
that point were you

1550
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:15,119
listening did you you know were you

1551
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,079
squinty eyed were you wondering did you

1552
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:20,319
where's your bs meter up

1553
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,760
and were you looking for cracks

1554
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:25,599
yeah for me for

1555
01:07:31,349 --> 01:07:27,280
george knapp for

1556
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,359
uh jeremy corbell for uh people that you

1557
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,319
spend time around bob lazar

1558
01:07:38,630 --> 01:07:36,400
he is uh

1559
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,640
he is not he's

1560
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:40,160
he's not

1561
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:41,200
a

1562
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:46,480
with

1563
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:49,599
trying to impress it's the opposite

1564
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,559
he is

1565
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,960
understated in many ways

1566
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:53,920
and

1567
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,200
that you came away i came away

1568
01:08:01,109 --> 01:08:00,000
with the impression that i was listening

1569
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,119
to

1570
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,039
a person who

1571
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:06,160
wasn't claiming to have phds wasn't

1572
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,000
claiming uh any big thing beyond the

1573
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:12,000
fact that he had

1574
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,719
been exposed at area 51

1575
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,839
through

1576
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:19,359
teller

1577
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:20,239
through

1578
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,080
los alamos

1579
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:26,080
getting a very short term

1580
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,319
going out to area 51 where e g and g it

1581
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,279
was through eg and g and the navy

1582
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:36,000
those were the two combinations

1583
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,319
that his he had three paychecks as i

1584
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:40,960
recall and remember um

1585
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,920
that we were able to see that they had

1586
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:45,759
come through the navy

1587
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:48,799
and they were associated with eg and g

1588
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,319
and that wha where it was who his

1589
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:54,719
temporary employer was

1590
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,080
uh allegedly from bob lazar saying it

1591
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,719
was teller that he had talked with

1592
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:03,040
teller about his interest in learning

1593
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,159
more about area 51 and working on any

1594
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:09,040
exotic craft that would fall into the

1595
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,319
ufo

1596
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,239
category and he was

1597
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:14,400
talking with teller straight about that

1598
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,560
and that that's how he got that job

1599
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,279
but the the part that really kicked in

1600
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,239
for me in that memorial day weekend it

1601
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:26,719
was listening to him

1602
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:30,239
in his kind of understated uh way

1603
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,279
uh

1604
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,400
that

1605
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:34,719
if he went under

1606
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,759
a craft that was inside of the papua's

1607
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,279
mountain range

1608
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:42,000
down below they had it propped up

1609
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,279
and that

1610
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:45,839
he's describing what he was seeing and

1611
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:49,839
this is back in 19 memorial day of what

1612
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:53,279
would have been 1989 i believe 1989 or

1613
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,040
1990 it was i know it was 1990 because

1614
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,320
that summer i went to a mufon conference

1615
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:01,760
in gulf breeze

1616
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,640
so it was may of 1990

1617
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:07,199
and he was talking about something that

1618
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,800
very few people

1619
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,960
would ever have known

1620
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,920
ever then if they hadn't seen something

1621
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,600
like this

1622
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,080
and he said

1623
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,880
i'm supposed to look at

1624
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,159
x part

1625
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,920
underneath

1626
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:26,080
having to do with this strange yellow

1627
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,120
powder that he called element 115 we can

1628
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,440
talk about that in a minute

1629
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,199
and this propulsion system and all of

1630
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:35,360
that that was what they were exposing

1631
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,320
him to

1632
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,360
but he said up above inside this same

1633
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,280
craft because he's down below but he

1634
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:43,040
could see up above

1635
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:44,800
that there were

1636
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:47,440
scientists electricians and they had

1637
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,880
various equipment inside and it would

1638
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,120
look like a solid silver

1639
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,960
disc remember how he called it the

1640
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,600
sports model yes that's what he was

1641
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,920
under and working on okay imagine that

1642
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:01,840
sports model

1643
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,960
uh as if it were divided into wedges

1644
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,199
think of an orange the way orange you

1645
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:09,040
cut an orange open and there would be

1646
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,000
wedges

1647
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:12,640
but that you don't see any of the lines

1648
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,280
of the wedges but what he could see is

1649
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,480
that the men on the floor the scientists

1650
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:20,400
they would hook something

1651
01:11:26,189 --> 01:11:23,520
uh push something and a panel

1652
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:26,199
would go totally transparent in what

1653
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,000
otherwise looked like a solid silver and

1654
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,280
then they would uh uh they would let go

1655
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:35,760
of whatever that connection was it would

1656
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,040
go back solid and another panel would go

1657
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:41,280
crystal clear and that bob was

1658
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,400
completely fascinated with that

1659
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:46,000
well

1660
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,520
that was

1661
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:49,440
one of those

1662
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,480
very rarely heard i think i've only

1663
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:55,520
talked with a couple of people who have

1664
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:58,640
worked as engineers or physicists in

1665
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,199
some of this back engineering work

1666
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,080
and they have said that some of the

1667
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,640
craft maybe all of them and maybe it's

1668
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:08,480
just the ones where they actually were

1669
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:11,679
able to try various experiments with

1670
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:14,719
that the craft like exactly what travis

1671
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,000
walton described in arizona

1672
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:19,760
that uh

1673
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:23,520
when he pushed a lever that the in in

1674
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:24,640
that case

1675
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:27,520
all of the craft that looked solid went

1676
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,560
clear

1677
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:30,560
and it scared him because it looked like

1678
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,360
he was hanging in space but it was that

1679
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,760
transparent in the in the craft that he

1680
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:38,080
was in playing around with those knobs

1681
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,920
right so if if some kind of

1682
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:44,400
to use the word polarization

1683
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:47,679
is the only uh active word that i know

1684
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,400
but these were details that were not

1685
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:52,880
generally discussed or described in the

1686
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,920
public anywhere on this planet

1687
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:57,360
but bob

1688
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,040
was describing what he had been seeing

1689
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:02,239
and

1690
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:08,239
the element 115 this yellow powder uh

1691
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:10,960
that you could handle and it had to do

1692
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:14,320
uh with uh developing and neutralizing

1693
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:16,000
gravity and all of these propulsion

1694
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,199
systems

1695
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,440
the thing that's puzzling

1696
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,719
and i have not had a chance to have any

1697
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:24,400
discussion with him about this since

1698
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:28,560
about uh 2004 it was livermore

1699
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:31,600
and i did a story at earthfiles.com that

1700
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:34,159
i brought up in front of me to remind me

1701
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,239
scientists create

1702
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:39,600
and add elements 113

1703
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:42,880
and 115 to the periodic table

1704
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:46,000
and this is an earthfiles.com that i

1705
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:50,239
produced february 6 2004

1706
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,040
and

1707
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,920
this is the uh strange thing about all

1708
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:55,120
of this

1709
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,320
is that

1710
01:14:02,310 --> 01:13:59,679
bob insisted that it was in some sort of

1711
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:02,320
a a stable

1712
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,400
yellowish form

1713
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,679
whatever they had with that craft

1714
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,199
but

1715
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:11,760
and i got a quote according to bob lazar

1716
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:14,320
only half a pound

1717
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:18,800
of the element 115 at s4 area 51

1718
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,480
could power a spacecraft for about 30

1719
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,320
earth years

1720
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,800
more amazing than that he said top

1721
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,760
secret scientific research had concluded

1722
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,719
that the huge energy element 115 could

1723
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:34,239
produce

1724
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:37,840
was used to distort space and time

1725
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,800
with strong gravitational fields also

1726
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:42,719
generated by technology on the

1727
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,400
spacecraft the result was that the disc

1728
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,400
could quickly quote

1729
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,600
jump around in the cosmos from point to

1730
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,560
point

1731
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,120
rather than the impossibly long travel

1732
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,880
in light years that current human

1733
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,719
technology would face

1734
01:15:01,590 --> 01:15:00,239
close quote

1735
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:01,600
now

1736
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,400
when you come to

1737
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,320
current

1738
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:08,320
science

1739
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:09,840
it's not

1740
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:12,719
something that's stable

1741
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,960
so far element 115 as far as at least

1742
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,800
the public knows

1743
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:21,120
it's not a yellowish

1744
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,239
powder

1745
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:24,880
so what is the difference

1746
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:26,080
between

1747
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:30,960
what bob lazar had at s4 area 51 right

1748
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,679
versus the isotope

1749
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,320
of element 115 which is all we know

1750
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,360
about which has you know a

1751
01:15:42,550 --> 01:15:41,199
billionth of a second

1752
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,560
so

1753
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,040
what are these differences

1754
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,520
and the very fact and and this is a

1755
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:49,760
really important point tonight on fade

1756
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:52,000
to black

1757
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:53,520
i believe

1758
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,480
that bob lazar

1759
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,120
tried to report as honestly and

1760
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:02,080
straightforwardly as he could possibly

1761
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,679
do

1762
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,560
about what he had been exposed to and

1763
01:16:11,669 --> 01:16:09,520
and what it was called

1764
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:11,679
and what he understood

1765
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:14,800
now that was back in the late

1766
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,800
80s

1767
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:18,719
element 115

1768
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,880
on our periodic table

1769
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,880
was not supposed to be

1770
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,120
or is not supposed to have been

1771
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:28,320
confirmed until 2004

1772
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,280
jumped from 1988 89 to 2004.

1773
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,159
why what's the disconnect

1774
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:38,080
and these are

1775
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:40,239
some of the puzzles when you start

1776
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:43,360
getting into what has the united states

1777
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:45,520
government been back engineering since

1778
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,440
world war ii

1779
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,280
for real

1780
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:50,800
and people who

1781
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:53,440
come in through subcontracts or

1782
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:56,960
contracts for two or three paychecks for

1783
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:00,080
whatever is the specific reason

1784
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,080
and they get exposed to something that

1785
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:05,040
is outside is very different

1786
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:06,480
and so

1787
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,920
the general

1788
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:10,560
public reaction is to react and say he

1789
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,640
must be lying

1790
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:14,640
when in fact

1791
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:17,679
i would argue that bob lazar

1792
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,000
to the best of his ability has described

1793
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,199
exactly what he experienced what he saw

1794
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:24,960
what he was told

1795
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,320
but why

1796
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,239
is there this big difference

1797
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:31,199
about element 115. yeah and i don't have

1798
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:33,920
an answer to that yeah i i don't either

1799
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:35,120
and

1800
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,400
you know there's like two or three

1801
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,320
questions here when it comes to 115. one

1802
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:40,239
the stable version of it

1803
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:41,760
he indicated that

1804
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:44,560
we were in possession of 500 pounds of

1805
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:45,920
it i think that was the number right we

1806
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,400
had 500 pounds of 115

1807
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:51,840
and so obviously it's mined somewhere it

1808
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:54,560
might be manufactured uh but

1809
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,440
but it's mined somewhere i i doubt that

1810
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,520
it's on this planet that it arrived to

1811
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,480
us off planet but the other part of it

1812
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:04,080
is uh

1813
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,320
if if it's mind off planet and there's a

1814
01:18:10,630 --> 01:18:08,000
stable version of it

1815
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:10,640
why can't we get to a stable version of

1816
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:13,840
it here and manufactured and two

1817
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:16,880
he's also indicated uh

1818
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,080
not in an official sense he certainly

1819
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,719
alludes to this in the documentary

1820
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,440
that he stole some right that that he's

1821
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:27,520
got some stashed away

1822
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:30,560
and if if let me ask you this linda if

1823
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,000
you were

1824
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:34,000
but you know let's put bob lazar to the

1825
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,679
side right we're not talking about bob

1826
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:38,000
we're talking about you like your

1827
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:38,880
uh

1828
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,280
material right if you were in possession

1829
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,920
of of 115 a stable version of it he had

1830
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:49,920
a couple of grams of it right there in

1831
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,280
new mexico would you go public with it

1832
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,320
would you would you become a martyr

1833
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,719
would you go public with it

1834
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:00,400
well

1835
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,040
i mean now we're we're talking about a

1836
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:04,800
question of

1837
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:06,640
knowledge

1838
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:09,280
of doing something

1839
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,480
wrong

1840
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:12,000
and personally

1841
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,280
yeah i'm not saying that

1842
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,120
yeah i'm not saying if you i'm not

1843
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,800
saying that you stole it

1844
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,719
i'm saying that if somebody gave it to

1845
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,640
you and you were in possession of this

1846
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:23,280
115 would you go public would you would

1847
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,320
you

1848
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:26,719
well the parallel is where we started

1849
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:33,590
yeah we were public right from the

1850
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:37,360
get-go right but we were as soon as we

1851
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,199
got it i was on the air uh with art on

1852
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,800
coast and dreamland constantly reporting

1853
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:47,760
about uh who i was talking to

1854
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:52,000
i got travis taylor who was working at

1855
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:55,920
redstone army arsenal down in alabama

1856
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:58,239
he called me and he was

1857
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,960
he was so provoked by what i was

1858
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:02,239
reporting

1859
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:05,199
that he said right out straight out i

1860
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:08,000
work for the defense intelligence agency

1861
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,000
um i am i would like to volunteer uh to

1862
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:15,040
try to do some tests electrostatic tests

1863
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:17,760
and various things with this material

1864
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:21,520
let's see if we if it is a lifting body

1865
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:23,920
and that's how travis taylor and i

1866
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:26,560
originally worked on this i was in

1867
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:30,640
alabama we videotaped uh experiments

1868
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:33,280
that we did we did others he arranged

1869
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:36,719
for me to work with uh it was a dod lab

1870
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,440
in california and it was uh stress that

1871
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,159
what we were doing in california was

1872
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:46,800
never to be discussed on the air

1873
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:50,080
and i was fine with that because

1874
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:53,120
right from the beginning of april of

1875
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,280
1996

1876
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:56,960
there was nobody

1877
01:21:02,630 --> 01:20:59,920
once i went on the air and said well

1878
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:02,640
we've got this box and it's from a

1879
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:05,520
man who identifies himself as a army

1880
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:08,480
sergeant and his grandfather and told

1881
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,400
the story and he uh the grandfather left

1882
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:15,120
these metal pieces and i'm going to try

1883
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:17,199
to find out what they are could they

1884
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:19,520
possibly be from one of the crash discs

1885
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:23,280
in roswell and everything was open

1886
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,480
everything was public that i was doing

1887
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,600
and finding and what happened is people

1888
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,080
started coming out of the woodwork

1889
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:34,880
coming forth and saying look you need to

1890
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:37,679
do x you need to do y travis was one of

1891
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,679
those and we did some tests that had uh

1892
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:44,159
some provocative uh

1893
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:45,920
movement on the part of bismuth

1894
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:49,600
magnesium zinc sideways but we never had

1895
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:52,400
it go up into the air which is uh what

1896
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:54,800
some people thought would happen now

1897
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:55,760
with

1898
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:59,440
travis the dia when he said i can work

1899
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:00,480
with you

1900
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,560
and the dia his uh superior said as long

1901
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:07,040
as you and linda moulton howe

1902
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,960
are prepared to have a report you travis

1903
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,360
from linda and everything you're doing

1904
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:15,120
we want to know

1905
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:16,960
everything you find out

1906
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,840
as an investigative reporter back in

1907
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:21,760
1996

1908
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,560
when

1909
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,639
i heard from travis

1910
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:26,239
that the dia

1911
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,280
was saying they wanted to have a report

1912
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,520
of everything we were learning

1913
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:33,920
it said to me they don't know what this

1914
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:37,360
is they don't know how to make it work

1915
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,880
they want to know what we find out which

1916
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:43,440
i think subsequently is part of the

1917
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:44,480
truth

1918
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:45,280
um

1919
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,159
eventually because everything i was

1920
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,080
doing was public

1921
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,960
i did start getting what would be in the

1922
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,960
category of whistleblowers saying i

1923
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:56,960
can't go on the radio

1924
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,000
i can't but you need to know x

1925
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:02,960
that led to the one of the most exciting

1926
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,480
discussions that i had three years ago

1927
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:08,320
it was at a conference

1928
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:13,990
a conference

1929
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:16,639
turns out to be a good protection

1930
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:20,080
because in a mass of people

1931
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,520
no one knows

1932
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:23,440
what anybody is talking to me about

1933
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,480
usually because it's so noisy right and

1934
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,199
uh so it's kind of a good place and i've

1935
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,320
had half a dozen people with real solid

1936
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:34,960
information approached me at conferences

1937
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,080
and this was one of them and here is the

1938
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,600
part that is so relevant and expands the

1939
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,000
context of bob lazar the business

1940
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,719
magnesium zinc and all of it

1941
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,800
this business has said

1942
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:49,679
i've

1943
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,719
listened

1944
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:51,760
to your

1945
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,239
radio reports about that bismuth

1946
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:57,760
magnesium zinc back in the 90s

1947
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,639
and he said i want you to know

1948
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,960
that in the early 70s

1949
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:05,199
i was working underground

1950
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,639
at area 51 in s4

1951
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:11,920
and he said and i was working on a slab

1952
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:14,000
of the same material that you have

1953
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,679
little pieces of

1954
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,600
he said i was working with a slab that

1955
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:21,120
was six feet long and three feet wide

1956
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,719
and he said it was the outer skin

1957
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:27,199
of a wedge shaped

1958
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,239
vehicle from someplace else not made by

1959
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:31,760
humans

1960
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,719
and that he wanted me to know

1961
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:36,800
that the trick was

1962
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,600
we would never ever

1963
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,960
discover

1964
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:44,400
the power and the importance of the

1965
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:47,920
business magnesium zinc outer skin

1966
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:51,679
unless we had the inner skin that the

1967
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:54,000
inner skin and the outer skin of the

1968
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:56,560
wedge-shaped craft had to be working

1969
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,120
together and then they would neutralize

1970
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,920
gravity he said linda you could blow

1971
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:04,560
on a craft and it would move

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01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:05,840
now

1973
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,040
what the the the concept of an inner

1974
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,080
skin and an outer skin it had to do with

1975
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:15,199
intelligent atomic arrangement

1976
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:16,800
uh things that we

1977
01:25:20,590 --> 01:25:18,880
uh are just

1978
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:20,600
i know we do i know we have

1979
01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:23,280
nanotechnology and i know that we can uh

1980
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:26,719
place things now increasingly well at an

1981
01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:29,520
atomic level but as you go back into the

1982
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,440
90s the 80s the 70s the 60s nobody was

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01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,840
doing that right right so

1984
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:36,719
uh

1985
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,320
so as the physicist was explaining it

1986
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,440
was as if and and this is why this is

1987
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:45,040
important

1988
01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:47,840
there are so many people whether they've

1989
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,040
been scientists on the science side or

1990
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,159
military on the military or intel side

1991
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:57,040
they've all told me the same thing for

1992
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,040
the last uh 20 30 years

1993
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:03,520
everything

1994
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:07,280
relating to ufos and et's is so

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01:26:13,750 --> 01:26:09,679
compartmentalized

1996
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:13,760
that it is in itself a block

1997
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:14,560
to

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01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:19,120
the technology

1999
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,920
that the white world scientists there

2000
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,159
are brilliant white world scientists

2001
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:25,760
that if they knew the truth that they

2002
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:28,800
were able to have their hands on

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01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,199
six foot by three foot slabs of this

2004
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:32,880
kind of material

2005
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:36,639
who knows we might make leaps and bounds

2006
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:39,840
on developing how to neutralize gravity

2007
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:43,040
so that we'd move point to point

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01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,840
and

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that that is part of the sadness in all

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01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,080
of this

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01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,400
that right from the beginning

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maybe for good reasons maybe not

2013
01:26:56,790 --> 01:26:54,880
everything went

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01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:56,800
to the black world

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01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,560
and the black world is so

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01:27:01,750 --> 01:27:00,400
compartmentalized

2017
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,760
that as one

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01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,480
scientist tugged me back uh in it was

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01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,480
1999.

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01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,760
he said that he had worked for the

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defense intelligence agency

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01:27:14,229 --> 01:27:13,120
for 23 years and was retiring

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01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:14,239
and he

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01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:15,440
wanted to

2025
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,000
talk with me about material that i had

2026
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:19,679
specifically in glimpses of other

2027
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:22,480
realities volume two high strangers my

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01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,000
third book

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01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,800
and in the process of getting into the

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01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:28,080
details

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01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:30,400
he told me this

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01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,360
he said

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01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:33,520
23 years

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01:27:39,030 --> 01:27:36,880
i worked on analyzing the competition of

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01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,040
different civilizations from outside in

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01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,520
the universe that have been competing

2037
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:43,600
and terraforming and

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01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,080
genetically manipulating in this solar

2039
01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,440
system and on this planet and throughout

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01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:52,159
many other places for millions of years

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01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,440
linda

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01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,280
and

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01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:58,000
a particular subject

2044
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,960
that

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01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:01,280
i had worked on and was told it was the

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01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:04,480
single most classified sensitive subject

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01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:06,239
in the united states government and no

2048
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,760
one was ever to know anything about it

2049
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:11,600
i get a call

2050
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,719
in 1989 saying

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01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:16,960
there's a new book out

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01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,600
it's a reporter named linda moulton howe

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01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:21,600
you have to get this book it's called

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01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,760
glimpses of other realities volume two

2055
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,239
high strangeness gave him the page

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01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,199
numbers he said i went you have an

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01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,800
entire chapter

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01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,400
100 pages

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01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:34,159
illustrations

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01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,520
maps

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01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:37,520
of exactly the subject that i thought

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01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:40,480
would never meet the light of day

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01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:44,960
well and i i was stunned after 23 years

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01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:45,679
so

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01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,639
well

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01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:49,199
but here's my last sentence okay okay it

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01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,800
was the reason is because the human

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abductees are not working in

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compartmentalized

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01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,159
classified projects they are fellow

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01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:02,960
human beings that are interacting for

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01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:06,320
reasons unknown with the intelligences

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01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,120
that

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01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,600
are the makers of these advanced

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01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:11,600
technologies so we got to take a break

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01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,400
right here but so you are saying that

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01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:16,560
you would have come forward if you were

2078
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:19,360
in possession of 115

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01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,560
right

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01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,400
i would have definitely approached

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01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:24,159
scientists and said would you help me

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01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,520
understand this

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01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:27,280
linda malta now

2084
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,800
that's what i'm talking about we'll be

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01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:30,320
right back after this short break this

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is fade to black stay with us

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church i guess tonight linda

2171
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,440
moulton howe

2172
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,360
you can follow me on twitter join the

2173
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:17,440
conversation right now

2174
01:34:22,149 --> 01:34:20,320
twitter is on fire

2175
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:22,159
man

2176
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,040
the amazing thing linda um check this

2177
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:27,280
out on twitter i'm not sure if you are

2178
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aware of this but during a fade to black

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broadcast

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we do two three and four thousand tweets

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per night it's absolutely insane you

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01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,000
should come over and join us one night

2183
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:42,239
it's uh it's so cool you would have so

2184
01:34:47,430 --> 01:34:44,320
much fun uh it is

2185
01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:47,440
what is the drift of the tweets now uh

2186
01:34:50,709 --> 01:34:49,760
right now it's all about you that's

2187
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:50,719
that's the

2188
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:53,760
what do you think

2189
01:34:57,350 --> 01:34:55,440
yeah everybody's really enjoying the

2190
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:57,360
conversation and

2191
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,400
um and one of the okay you know what

2192
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:02,960
check this out latest tweet just came in

2193
01:35:08,790 --> 01:35:04,639
a few seconds ago

2194
01:35:11,110 --> 01:35:08,800
um about john levine and i'll read you

2195
01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:11,120
the tweet okay are you ready this is

2196
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,280
from cassandra she says

2197
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,080
though the john levine apollo 20 story

2198
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:18,159
fell apart linda had talked about

2199
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:20,480
evidence of a secret cold war nasa

2200
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,199
program has linda come upon any new

2201
01:35:27,830 --> 01:35:25,600
evidence to suggest levine was involved

2202
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,840
in the seeker program at all linda it

2203
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:30,320
sounds like i'm asking that question

2204
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,639
that's how good twitter is isn't that

2205
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:33,840
amazing

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01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:35,520
well yes but

2207
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,239
uh

2208
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:38,719
so i'm glad that you have an audience

2209
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,840
now that is interested in this

2210
01:35:43,669 --> 01:35:42,400
because

2211
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:43,679
the

2212
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:54,719
was about his role in a secret

2213
01:36:02,470 --> 01:35:58,000
astronaut program that involved

2214
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:02,480
a secret apollo 18 19 and 20 after the

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01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,560
official public apollo 17.

2216
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:08,080
and he also said

2217
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:10,239
didn't he also say that he was a secret

2218
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,390
yes he did okay but what what i'm trying

2219
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:20,719
to go to the heart is that

2220
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:25,040
when i uh first talked with levine

2221
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,480
the part that really caught my attention

2222
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,800
and i ended up doing three

2223
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:31,920
uh

2224
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:34,320
segments three interviews that totaled

2225
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:36,159
five hours

2226
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:37,280
was he

2227
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:40,159
talked about he sent me his uh

2228
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:43,360
birth certificate and sent me his dd214s

2229
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:46,159
and uh sent uh a

2230
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:49,440
real uh it was a one of these

2231
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:51,360
a vietnam war

2232
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:54,880
kind of awards uh all of this stuff in

2233
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,000
the beginning and talked about how

2234
01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:00,320
his father

2235
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:01,520
also

2236
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:04,719
worked in a science capacity and was a

2237
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:07,920
very good friend of howard hughes howard

2238
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,199
hughes of hughes tool hughes aerospace

2239
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:13,920
and back in the

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60s

2241
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,040
you would put howard hughes as an 800

2242
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:21,679
pound gorilla in the whole

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01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:24,080
aviation and aerospace

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01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,360
world

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01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,960
and

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01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:27,920
uh

2247
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,480
hold that thought and then i'm going to

2248
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,960
jump to a discussion

2249
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:34,560
ten days ago

2250
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:37,280
i got a contact from a man who said i

2251
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:40,560
grew up with john levine and his real

2252
01:37:46,790 --> 01:37:42,880
birth certificate name is john harold

2253
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,800
levine he's had many aliases and this

2254
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,119
person calls and said i grew up with him

2255
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,239
in vermont and vermont is on his birth

2256
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:54,800
certificate and he said

2257
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,480
i hate the guy

2258
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:59,040
uh for a bunch of reasons but linda i

2259
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,800
want you to know

2260
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:03,679
that you're on the right track

2261
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:06,639
about the fact that howard hughes was

2262
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,360
very close to his father

2263
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:11,520
and that when he tells you

2264
01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:13,520
that he got a job

2265
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:16,560
because howard hughes wanted the young

2266
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,199
teenage john levine to do some work for

2267
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:21,840
the central intelligence agency he said

2268
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,119
that is the truth okay so this is a guy

2269
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,159
who is not calling and uh acting on

2270
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,000
behalf

2271
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:32,080
is saying a whole bunch of things that

2272
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,520
he didn't like

2273
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:36,239
john levine growing up but that he knew

2274
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:39,040
this part of the story was real

2275
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,560
so

2276
01:38:44,950 --> 01:38:42,719
it's a complex landscape but now let's

2277
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:44,960
go further because

2278
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,600
this john levine

2279
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:50,000
uh emerged on the scene at the end of

2280
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:51,199
october

2281
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:55,119
i did the interviews and was on at earth

2282
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:58,239
files and coast in real x-files

2283
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,199
if uh i've been doing uh earth file

2284
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:03,600
since 1998

2285
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:06,719
and this is 2019

2286
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,119
and it has always had a paragraph at

2287
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:11,920
real x-files saying that i place

2288
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:13,440
material

2289
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:15,440
that i cannot prove

2290
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:18,239
but that i feel that the public needs to

2291
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,400
consider it in real x-files plus i put

2292
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,199
all animal mutilation stories and

2293
01:39:29,350 --> 01:39:27,280
photographs that might be problematic

2294
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:29,360
for a general audience always in real

2295
01:39:32,470 --> 01:39:30,880
x-files

2296
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,480
and that is what's called the

2297
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:34,400
subscription wall

2298
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:36,800
for children and others they can't just

2299
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:40,400
stumble across the mutilation photos

2300
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,880
all of that was there from the beginning

2301
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,119
and that was my intent

2302
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,600
and we kept i've been working with a

2303
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,719
group of

2304
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:51,280
five guys that are

2305
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,040
navy and various other expertise

2306
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:57,679
and we started doing research

2307
01:40:04,629 --> 01:39:59,920
when i was doing the interviews with

2308
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:04,639
levine and as uh as it was posted

2309
01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:09,199
i got information that came in from

2310
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:10,239
people

2311
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:12,960
one person that i know is working in

2312
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:14,719
special ops

2313
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:17,280
and he knew about levine

2314
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,600
and he told me that when it came to

2315
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:21,119
memory wipes

2316
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:24,560
that that is a well-known process

2317
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,639
and that this person had been ex had

2318
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:28,560
been exposed to it himself

2319
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:30,239
and said that

2320
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,239
it is possible

2321
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,239
that a human could be

2322
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,560
in let's say working for the cia from a

2323
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:38,719
teenage year on

2324
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:39,440
and

2325
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,600
have a memory replacement overlay right

2326
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:49,600
that you will get

2327
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,880
a problem i'm not defending levine but

2328
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:54,880
i'm talking about why

2329
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,960
in december my next round of reports

2330
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:01,199
had to do with mk ultra that john

2331
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,000
greenwald and i have been uh working and

2332
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,920
we did phenomena and a bunch of things

2333
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,040
together

2334
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:09,679
very important documents that because of

2335
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:13,280
john's uh foyer requests uh and as he

2336
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,520
calls it his battle with the cia over

2337
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:17,280
getting mk ultra

2338
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,030
that our government was intent on

2339
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,280
finding ways with hypnosis with

2340
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:30,080
chemicals with all kinds of things and

2341
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:32,400
it says right in the documents

2342
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:33,199
to

2343
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:36,560
amnesia amnesia was selective and

2344
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:39,440
controlled amnesia those are phrases

2345
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:40,800
that you find

2346
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:43,760
in the uh now foia released after how

2347
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,040
many years

2348
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,000
some of these documents go back uh 50 60

2349
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:51,119
years and the cia is still fighting uh

2350
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:54,080
john on not releasing uh documents

2351
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:55,600
passed i think he has not gotten

2352
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,719
documents past uh the 70s and so what

2353
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,880
else is there well

2354
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,440
that there are people who have worked

2355
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:05,600
for our government who have had

2356
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:08,880
selective amnesia on purpose in order to

2357
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,920
control

2358
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,400
leaks and they can have memory

2359
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:14,000
replacements

2360
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:17,360
and then what is the human mind capable

2361
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:19,840
of can you actually have all of this

2362
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,920
happen and not reach a point where you

2363
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,159
haven't got a clue

2364
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:25,920
what the real truth is

2365
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:28,960
i would imagine that that is probably

2366
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,080
true and this is not a defense of levine

2367
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:35,360
it is that levine coming forth with the

2368
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:40,080
story has opened up a gold mine in so

2369
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:43,520
many directions and that the

2370
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:46,000
that i am beginning to find that there

2371
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:49,040
are people that i completely uh know

2372
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:51,280
their backgrounds and trust and they are

2373
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:52,560
telling me

2374
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:53,360
that

2375
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,119
the back side of the moon possibly

2376
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,080
before 1976

2377
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,560
in secret missions

2378
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,239
all having to do

2379
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:08,400
with the government being aware that

2380
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,679
there was an alien presence that it was

2381
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:13,119
using the moon

2382
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,080
we wanted to find out

2383
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:18,639
and all of this is beginning to emerge

2384
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:22,159
and even deeper textures and

2385
01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:26,159
one of the uh discoveries that i made in

2386
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,440
this third

2387
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:29,760
earth files that i put up two days two

2388
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,639
nights ago january 13th uk engineer

2389
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:35,119
described some real nasa secrets

2390
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:37,920
all of this has emerged because of

2391
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:41,679
digging in and around the levine story

2392
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,560
and

2393
01:43:46,109 --> 01:43:44,480
in

2394
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:46,119
a july

2395
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:49,679
2015 so only three years ago

2396
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:53,440
foia released national reconnaissance or

2397
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:56,400
it's not organization

2398
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:58,960
it is nro i always want to call it

2399
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:00,159
organization

2400
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:03,840
a document from june 1966

2401
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:06,159
archived in the u.s air force historical

2402
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:08,560
division liaison office

2403
01:44:12,910 --> 01:44:11,760
entitled the air force in space fiscal

2404
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:12,920
year

2405
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:21,920
right and it identifies all caps

2406
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:23,840
the word saint

2407
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:27,760
as an acronym for satellite inspector

2408
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:30,560
and this is what this says about saint

2409
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:33,520
quote for several years prior

2410
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:37,679
prior for several years prior to 1962.

2411
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:40,800
the air force had studied a proposed

2412
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:44,320
satellite inspector saint system

2413
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:48,080
which would examine unidentified

2414
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,320
objects in space

2415
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:52,960
and determine their characteristics

2416
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:55,280
capabilities or intent

2417
01:45:00,390 --> 01:44:58,400
and then i show in this report

2418
01:45:01,830 --> 01:45:00,400
the words are

2419
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:01,840
that saint

2420
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:05,520
would be able to identify

2421
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,709
identify

2422
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:12,320
hostile

2423
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,920
well what else can you

2424
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,119
conclude

2425
01:45:23,590 --> 01:45:21,280
that we had identified that there was an

2426
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:23,600
alien presence unidentified objects in

2427
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,560
space

2428
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:27,360
and that in the 1950s we were already

2429
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:29,600
trying to figure out how we were going

2430
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:32,480
to get something up where hostile

2431
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:33,760
satellites

2432
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:35,760
were and destroy them you don't even

2433
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:37,840
have to read between the lines it's

2434
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:39,600
right there in front of you it's right

2435
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:41,119
there

2436
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:42,159
and then

2437
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:45,040
and here is one more one more kicker to

2438
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:48,639
all this uh this was in december 2018

2439
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:51,199
after i did the second round

2440
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:54,400
of these reports uh and

2441
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,480
interviews with john greenwald and

2442
01:46:00,950 --> 01:45:58,800
winston keach an engineer from the uk

2443
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,960
and others about all of this

2444
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:02,400
and um

2445
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:03,520
i got

2446
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:07,600
uh through an encrypted email that i use

2447
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:10,960
this from a and this person is in u.s

2448
01:46:14,149 --> 01:46:13,199
navy special ops

2449
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:14,159
quote

2450
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:17,760
this was to me uh about uh

2451
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:20,639
three and a half weeks ago

2452
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,480
we are indeed in conflict with various

2453
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,520
alien beings some of which are

2454
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:29,440
cybernetic

2455
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,080
something that is artificial

2456
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:36,639
intelligence and organic

2457
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:39,600
we continue to lose many good men to

2458
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,000
this quiet conflict

2459
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:44,320
different types of alien craft have been

2460
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,520
located on earth the moon and on mars

2461
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:49,600
some alien craft

2462
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:51,040
we still

2463
01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:53,119
can't penetrate

2464
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,880
or board

2465
01:46:58,709 --> 01:46:56,080
close quote

2466
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:58,719
and i know this person from

2467
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:01,440
uh two and a half years ago i know

2468
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:03,679
that they are solid and that they

2469
01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,280
decided to

2470
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:08,159
send this encrypted message to me upon

2471
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,679
hearing

2472
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,199
the reports

2473
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:13,360
that i have been trying to do to get to

2474
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:14,800
the bottom of

2475
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,800
the big part on the levine thing the big

2476
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,719
part is

2477
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:22,480
did we

2478
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,320
do an entire secret space program

2479
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:28,560
fronted by nasa

2480
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,520
how many secret programs

2481
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,119
were going on

2482
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:35,760
how and and i have a photograph that i

2483
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,960
found through a lot of research work

2484
01:47:42,950 --> 01:47:40,480
of

2485
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:42,960
there was supposed to be a total

2486
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:44,560
of 17

2487
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:46,719
secret astronauts

2488
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:49,280
with the manned orbital laboratory

2489
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,000
program that was a huge secret at the

2490
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:54,719
very beginning of the 1960s

2491
01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:57,040
and the idea and i have a big

2492
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,840
illustration that nasa had done

2493
01:48:04,229 --> 01:48:01,679
of how they would put this manned

2494
01:48:07,830 --> 01:48:04,239
orbiting laboratory up in a very

2495
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:07,840
specific altitude and that uh these

2496
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:10,960
secret astronauts would be their job

2497
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:13,360
would be to be uh

2498
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,880
monitoring

2499
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:16,400
the earth

2500
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,760
and others have said that they wanted to

2501
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:21,920
monitor space

2502
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:22,880
there

2503
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:25,920
because of unidentified flying objects

2504
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,719
and

2505
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:29,840
that the this manned orbiting laboratory

2506
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:31,760
that has a photo and i have it at earth

2507
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,960
files

2508
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,080
it says

2509
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,719
photos of 14

2510
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,199
of the 17

2511
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:41,440
astronauts with the manned orbital

2512
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:42,800
laboratory

2513
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:45,040
where are the other three right who were

2514
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,480
they right

2515
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,719
well it's like the original evidence of

2516
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:50,719
of the space for the secret space

2517
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,679
program

2518
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:53,520
you know well and that it's been going

2519
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,080
on uh mk ultra began in 1953 officially

2520
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,480
uh putting sydney gottlieb in as the

2521
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,840
director and that you had a parallel

2522
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:04,960
track

2523
01:49:10,790 --> 01:49:07,360
of our government learning how to

2524
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,800
control secret programs by controlled

2525
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:12,000
amnesia

2526
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:13,840
uh controlled laying down of new

2527
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,760
memories uh

2528
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:17,280
you think about

2529
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,560
oswald and ruby and the idea that sounds

2530
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:22,320
could trigger something that was

2531
01:49:27,350 --> 01:49:25,040
pre-programmed in the mind all of that

2532
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,360
and that was paralleling

2533
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:29,760
the evolution of

2534
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:30,880
nasa

2535
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:35,440
collaboration with the cia well and i

2536
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:38,000
want to jump back really quick before we

2537
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:39,760
get to this next break linda because

2538
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:43,679
back in october when john reached out to

2539
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:46,560
you and reached out to me i was sent

2540
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:47,520
uh

2541
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:50,400
that picture of the alien face

2542
01:49:54,709 --> 01:49:52,719
and google is my friend right and i go

2543
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:54,719
and i right click and i do a google

2544
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:58,159
search and it pops up uh you know uh

2545
01:50:03,590 --> 01:50:01,520
a video game from the mid 2000s and and

2546
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:03,600
i got a high-res

2547
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:06,639
version of the video game cover which i

2548
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,199
blew up on one of my giant monitors and

2549
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:11,440
i'm looking at it and i go and look at

2550
01:50:16,390 --> 01:50:13,679
the image that was sent to me

2551
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:16,400
and the wind was out of my sails right i

2552
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:18,639
was like you've got to be kidding me

2553
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,280
and so i backed off and then i went to

2554
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:23,440
respond to john

2555
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,440
and he deleted his account on on stellar

2556
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:30,239
and so i just backed off the whole story

2557
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:32,960
um when when

2558
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:34,800
can may i just pick up here for a second

2559
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,440
on that well i want your response yeah i

2560
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:40,159
want to respond yeah yeah because i've

2561
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:41,520
been through

2562
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,400
this issue of

2563
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:44,960
x-boxes

2564
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,629
television and various things being the

2565
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:52,480
explanation for several things that

2566
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:54,000
would include

2567
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:55,679
remember when

2568
01:51:03,189 --> 01:50:58,960
uh the dragonfly drones

2569
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:03,199
showed up around 2007 2008

2570
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,239
and i was getting photographs and that

2571
01:51:11,590 --> 01:51:08,719
was then when the whistleblower did the

2572
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,600
release of that incredible document

2573
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:14,239
about neutralizing gravity projection of

2574
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:15,600
holograms

2575
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:18,400
uh extraterrestrial technology the

2576
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:20,320
patterns that matched a lot of things

2577
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:23,360
that it showed up in crop formations

2578
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:26,960
a whole different way of looking at a i

2579
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:30,080
through a creation of

2580
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,600
materials

2581
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,840
that would be like holograms you could

2582
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:35,840
have an entire ship

2583
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,159
and and this is what is so important to

2584
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,639
remember that's what was this entire

2585
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:42,560
document that was released with the

2586
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,520
dragonfly drone photos and the uh

2587
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:46,639
language

2588
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,800
is that the the craft the ufo craft

2589
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:52,560
themselves

2590
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:53,360
are

2591
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,040
like holograms that every piece

2592
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,960
has the whole

2593
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,280
knowledge and that

2594
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,520
that it was staggering and that they

2595
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:05,280
were working on this the guy who

2596
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:06,960
released it that he had been working

2597
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,360
with a whole group of scientists under

2598
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:11,520
the security of uh

2599
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:13,760
military put there by the department of

2600
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:16,400
defense and the scientists were trying

2601
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,159
to back engineer

2602
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,800
what they had collected somehow from

2603
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,119
these dragonfly drones

2604
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,400
as soon as i started reporting and i was

2605
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:28,320
talking with people who

2606
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:29,280
were

2607
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:32,159
a wife or of a husband who had taken

2608
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:36,000
kids into yosemite and they uh

2609
01:52:41,270 --> 01:52:39,040
see this dragonfly drone and the wife

2610
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:41,280
can can sketch it the child can sketch

2611
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,719
it and you know that you're dealing with

2612
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,960
honest people and they're seeing these

2613
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:46,320
things right

2614
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:47,360
well

2615
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,599
there were uh

2616
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:51,040
all of a sudden

2617
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:53,920
came uh stuff on the web

2618
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:56,880
saying that all the dragonflies were

2619
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,520
from some xbox game

2620
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,360
so i went through all of that don't

2621
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:03,599
believe it for a minute but

2622
01:53:09,750 --> 01:53:07,040
what i think is at work is it it all at

2623
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:09,760
any particular point

2624
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:12,880
if the if counter intelligence

2625
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,599
that's been operating so well since

2626
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,320
world war ii and helped us survive world

2627
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:21,199
war ii they're brilliant minds

2628
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,960
and they know

2629
01:53:27,109 --> 01:53:25,360
they can take a real photo

2630
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:27,119
a real alien

2631
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:28,960
a real ufo

2632
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:32,320
a real dragonfly drone

2633
01:53:35,830 --> 01:53:34,080
and all they have to do

2634
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:35,840
is put it out

2635
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:38,080
in a hollywood feature

2636
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,480
an xbox

2637
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:42,320
anything

2638
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:44,960
they've killed its credibility

2639
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:46,639
instantly

2640
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,280
even if the original

2641
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:51,840
was a real photo

2642
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,280
and that's the problem we are in like a

2643
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:57,199
hall of mirrors

2644
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,320
none of us

2645
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:01,119
knows the chain of custody

2646
01:54:08,070 --> 01:54:03,760
what is the chain of custody

2647
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:08,080
what was the original inception behind

2648
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:10,000
any of these

2649
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,119
xbox theater now when i talk with

2650
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:14,880
winston keach

2651
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,239
the uk he's an engineer he's a computer

2652
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:20,800
analyst he's a brilliant guy

2653
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,000
he saw the uh french the s-p-e-t-h the

2654
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,960
creation of apollo 20

2655
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:30,320
and wynn said

2656
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:32,000
uh in europe

2657
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,800
it has long been suspected and

2658
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:36,800
has never denied

2659
01:54:42,149 --> 01:54:41,040
that the the entire apollo 20 theatrical

2660
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:42,159
creation

2661
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:44,560
was done to muddy

2662
01:54:48,709 --> 01:54:45,760
the truth

2663
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:48,719
that there was a secret apollo mission

2664
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:50,719
to the back side of the moon

2665
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:52,480
now you start putting all this stuff

2666
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,040
together and untangling

2667
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,679
what is fiction and what is fact becomes

2668
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:59,440
more and more difficult which is exactly

2669
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,520
what counter intelligence wants to

2670
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,679
accomplish people throw up their hands

2671
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:05,760
they walk away from everything and they

2672
01:55:09,830 --> 01:55:08,320
bought themselves another 20 years

2673
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:09,840
of denial

2674
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:12,560
so i'm looking at all of this through

2675
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:15,440
the lens of having been through these

2676
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:17,360
kinds of things before

2677
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,400
and it's not that levine

2678
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:22,320
is a truth teller

2679
01:55:29,910 --> 01:55:26,560
it is that levine has opened up now

2680
01:55:33,750 --> 01:55:29,920
so many avenues that are leading to

2681
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,760
real documents to real people with real

2682
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,040
knowledge

2683
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:37,679
i was talking with dr bob wood today

2684
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:39,040
about all of this

2685
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:39,840
and

2686
01:55:45,669 --> 01:55:43,599
bob is an extremely respected

2687
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,679
electrical engineer and physicist who

2688
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,080
worked at mcdonald douglas for uh i

2689
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:50,639
think it was 30 years or so years no

2690
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:51,679
question

2691
01:55:58,070 --> 01:55:54,800
oh he and he's just uh i have always

2692
01:56:00,470 --> 01:55:58,080
respected and admired bob woods so much

2693
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,480
and i had him read

2694
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:02,159
uh the part three

2695
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:03,920
about the national reconnaissance

2696
01:56:06,390 --> 01:56:05,280
organization

2697
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:06,400
uh

2698
01:56:08,470 --> 01:56:07,360
and the

2699
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,480
uh

2700
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,800
this whole what i started talking to you

2701
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,719
about is that document that is referring

2702
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,560
to saint he'd never heard of saint

2703
01:56:20,950 --> 01:56:16,880
before he read it and sent me back an

2704
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:20,960
email and he said to me he said linda

2705
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,400
i wouldn't be surprised if we did a

2706
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:26,239
secret landing

2707
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:29,679
on the backside of the moon before

2708
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:32,239
1976.

2709
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:33,360
so

2710
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:36,400
people who who have had real

2711
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:38,080
honest-to-god

2712
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,599
aerospace

2713
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:41,679
physics backgrounds

2714
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,400
they

2715
01:56:46,709 --> 01:56:44,880
have been exposed to things that we in

2716
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:46,719
the public never have been

2717
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,760
and that

2718
01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:50,400
whatever is the truth which is what i'm

2719
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:53,440
gonna keep trying to dig for i've got uh

2720
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:55,360
several people helping me now in a lot

2721
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:57,119
of different fronts

2722
01:57:03,430 --> 01:56:59,920
i think this is a good thing that this

2723
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:03,440
has emerged so that we can all keep

2724
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:05,199
digging into

2725
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:08,320
what is the real truth and wouldn't this

2726
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:10,719
be the ultimate irony jimmy you and i

2727
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:13,599
were talking about this before air

2728
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:14,480
that

2729
01:57:18,550 --> 01:57:15,840
we are now

2730
01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:18,560
starting 2019 off with this

2731
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:20,639
seemingly subdued

2732
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:23,840
very subdued news from china that their

2733
01:57:30,149 --> 01:57:26,639
changi landed on the back side

2734
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:30,159
of the moon and that it will be heralded

2735
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:32,800
throughout human history

2736
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:34,800
as the first time

2737
01:57:42,070 --> 01:57:37,679
humans put a machine

2738
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:42,080
on the backside of the moon how ironic

2739
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,679
almost sad

2740
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:45,520
if the truth is

2741
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:48,880
that the united states was there

2742
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:50,159
in the

2743
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,400
and that

2744
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,119
not a single word

2745
01:58:02,790 --> 01:57:59,520
has been made public because

2746
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:02,800
of policies of denials and lies about

2747
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:04,320
the fact that we're not alone in the

2748
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,320
universe and that is the reason why we

2749
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,400
went to the back side in the first place

2750
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:11,199
i can't wait for 2019 let's let's go to

2751
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:13,280
fast forward linda let's get to the end

2752
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:15,040
of the year

2753
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:17,840
when we come back after this quick short

2754
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:19,360
break

2755
01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:21,760
jay allen heineck it's all being talked

2756
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:23,440
about tonight linda thank you so much

2757
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:31,830
hi everybody this is rob halpert the

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01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:32,560
mental guard on jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra the global radio alliance

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02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:26,310
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2862
02:03:32,790 --> 02:03:28,000
jimmy church tonight our guest linda

2863
02:03:35,030 --> 02:03:32,800
moulton howe helping us kick off 2019

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02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,040
on the game changer network and kg ra

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the planet you can check out linda with

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02:03:42,229 --> 02:03:40,239
her program john burroughs here on kgra

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02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:42,239
call phenomenon radio and of course you

2868
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,040
can follow her on twitter at earth files

2869
02:03:50,310 --> 02:03:47,840
you can follow me on twitter at j church

2870
02:03:52,950 --> 02:03:50,320
radio now linda continuing

2871
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:52,960
the conversation uh project blue book

2872
02:03:56,790 --> 02:03:54,480
history channel

2873
02:03:59,990 --> 02:03:56,800
have you seen it yet

2874
02:04:04,070 --> 02:04:01,589
hello yes

2875
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:04,080
you said yeah it sounded sounded like a

2876
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:05,920
i don't know like a horn blast did you

2877
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:06,880
hear it

2878
02:04:11,430 --> 02:04:09,199
the nsa linda we start talking about

2879
02:04:12,629 --> 02:04:11,440
project blue book

2880
02:04:17,750 --> 02:04:12,639
i don't know if it's

2881
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,430
i have not seen the tv version but i

2882
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:23,280
sure have talked with a lot of people

2883
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:26,000
about the three project blue books that

2884
02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:28,400
our government has had uh do you want to

2885
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,159
go into that well i do and uh let's

2886
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,560
reserve that for just a second because i

2887
02:04:40,229 --> 02:04:36,560
need your personal insight on a couple

2888
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:40,239
of things um i'm going to

2889
02:04:45,589 --> 02:04:43,360
just say this about because tonight

2890
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:45,599
episode 2 aired i haven't seen it yet

2891
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:49,679
but the first episode from last week

2892
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:51,599
everything centers around

2893
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:54,159
jay allen heineck okay so that's it his

2894
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:56,639
personal experiences and they do a

2895
02:05:02,470 --> 02:04:59,119
disclaimer at the beginning and the end

2896
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:02,480
of each episode which is based on facts

2897
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:04,719
this is based on the reports from

2898
02:05:10,070 --> 02:05:07,599
project blue books so you are assuming

2899
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:10,080
that and and his family by the way has

2900
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:13,360
authorized uh this this series

2901
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:16,480
so the implications are that this is all

2902
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:18,080
real stuff we just haven't heard about

2903
02:05:23,189 --> 02:05:21,040
it yet now let me back up

2904
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:23,199
briefly just say this

2905
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:26,000
one of the things that happened in last

2906
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:28,960
week's episode is heineck goes out in

2907
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:30,560
1948

2908
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:33,840
uh to the scene of the gorman uh the

2909
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:36,159
famous gorman ufo dogfight it's called

2910
02:05:40,790 --> 02:05:38,320
the fuller dogfight but anyway

2911
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:40,800
so to test the

2912
02:05:47,669 --> 02:05:43,760
pilot story heinek

2913
02:05:49,189 --> 02:05:47,679
gets in a plane a fighter a pro fighter

2914
02:05:51,109 --> 02:05:49,199
whatever it was a thunderbolt or

2915
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:51,119
something goes up

2916
02:05:55,350 --> 02:05:53,199
chases a weather balloon

2917
02:05:58,470 --> 02:05:55,360
crashes the plane

2918
02:06:00,550 --> 02:05:58,480
and walks away heinek right and at the

2919
02:06:02,629 --> 02:06:00,560
scene of the crash

2920
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:02,639
he looks over in the distance

2921
02:06:07,189 --> 02:06:04,639
and there's a man in black the whole

2922
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:07,199
thing the fedora you know and he's

2923
02:06:10,870 --> 02:06:08,480
observing

2924
02:06:14,310 --> 02:06:10,880
the crash scene of heinek now

2925
02:06:17,830 --> 02:06:14,320
you know dr heineck you knew him

2926
02:06:19,350 --> 02:06:17,840
did you ever in your life hear about

2927
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:19,360
heinek

2928
02:06:25,270 --> 02:06:22,480
surviving a plane crash as he was

2929
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:25,280
researching a ufo incident right and

2930
02:06:28,629 --> 02:06:26,480
that's where

2931
02:06:29,350 --> 02:06:28,639
this series is going

2932
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:29,360
no

2933
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,679
talking about the mantel case

2934
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,320
uh no not the mantel case the gorman

2935
02:06:42,629 --> 02:06:38,239
case from 1948

2936
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:42,639
the uh oh yeah okay well

2937
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:45,280
i don't uh

2938
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,280
here let me jump to what i know

2939
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:49,599
firsthand about alan

2940
02:06:53,270 --> 02:06:50,800
um

2941
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:53,280
i had done a strange harvest it was

2942
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:54,800
broadcast

2943
02:07:01,189 --> 02:06:57,599
and it was only a couple of months after

2944
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:01,199
the may 25th 1980 broadcast

2945
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:03,199
of a strange harvest about the animal

2946
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:05,280
mutilation investigation that i got a

2947
02:07:12,790 --> 02:07:08,400
call from jay alan heineck he called me

2948
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:12,800
at channel 7 in denver and said that he

2949
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:14,480
wanted very much

2950
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:17,679
to see my documentary that he'd heard a

2951
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:18,960
lot about it

2952
02:07:22,149 --> 02:07:20,960
and he wanted to know if i could meet

2953
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,159
with him

2954
02:07:26,709 --> 02:07:24,880
and half a dozen other investigators at

2955
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:26,719
a meeting that they were going to hold

2956
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:30,960
down in alamosa in southern colorado

2957
02:07:33,910 --> 02:07:31,920
and

2958
02:07:36,149 --> 02:07:33,920
i had heard about him

2959
02:07:38,790 --> 02:07:36,159
uh wanted to meet and talk with him and

2960
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:38,800
we all got together

2961
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:40,480
and they

2962
02:07:45,510 --> 02:07:43,440
had the meeting parts of the gathering

2963
02:07:48,149 --> 02:07:45,520
in uh like a school

2964
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:48,159
and so we were sitting at these uh

2965
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,280
remember where you could sit in college

2966
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:53,840
or something in or high school and there

2967
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:57,119
would be to the right like a square it

2968
02:08:01,270 --> 02:07:59,280
would fold up and down and when you get

2969
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:01,280
in and you could write on it and that's

2970
02:08:05,350 --> 02:08:03,679
the kind of room we were in

2971
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:05,360
and

2972
02:08:12,790 --> 02:08:06,400
we

2973
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:12,800
and then the lights came up

2974
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:16,960
and he lifted up his desk part that he

2975
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:19,840
was sitting in about uh two over from me

2976
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:21,840
and there were probably about 12 of us

2977
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,440
who had gathered for this meeting with

2978
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,599
jaylen heineck

2979
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:27,119
and

2980
02:08:41,430 --> 02:08:28,320
he

2981
02:08:42,470 --> 02:08:41,440
pounding it

2982
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:42,480
on that

2983
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,599
wooden square of my deck my little desk

2984
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:46,960
chair

2985
02:08:50,709 --> 02:08:49,040
and he's looking at me through his

2986
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:50,719
glasses

2987
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:51,760
and

2988
02:08:58,790 --> 02:08:57,840
index finger he said

2989
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,800
do

2990
02:09:02,470 --> 02:08:59,920
you

2991
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:02,480
really think

2992
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:04,800
that extraterrestrial

2993
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:08,159
biological entities are responsible for

2994
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:10,960
these animal mutilations

2995
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:11,840
and i'm

2996
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:14,159
i'm not exaggerating

2997
02:09:16,950 --> 02:09:15,520
that was

2998
02:09:18,550 --> 02:09:16,960
the tone

2999
02:09:20,790 --> 02:09:18,560
the emphasis

3000
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:20,800
and the pounding of the finger and it

3001
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:23,440
was like he was angry

3002
02:09:27,750 --> 02:09:26,800
after watching a strange harvest

3003
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,760
and

3004
02:09:31,510 --> 02:09:29,760
anybody who has known me

3005
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:31,520
ever

3006
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:33,119
i just

3007
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:39,840
so even though i know that he's upset

3008
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:43,280
i remember looking at it him and saying

3009
02:09:48,390 --> 02:09:45,199
dr heineck

3010
02:09:50,470 --> 02:09:48,400
yes law enforcement sheriffs and

3011
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:50,480
deputies are the ones who right from the

3012
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:53,199
beginning told me that the perpetrators

3013
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,079
were creatures from outer space

3014
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:58,480
and he was staring at me

3015
02:10:02,229 --> 02:09:59,520
and then

3016
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:02,239
he turned around and he walked back and

3017
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:05,440
had to lift up the high school desk

3018
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:08,400
chair and sit back down and we continue

3019
02:10:14,069 --> 02:10:11,119
with the meeting and that is how

3020
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:14,079
i remember the first day of being with

3021
02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:16,159
jl and heineck

3022
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,880
that through that weekend leo sprinkle

3023
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:20,880
who was the director of counseling and

3024
02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:23,440
testing at the university of wyoming he

3025
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:25,119
and i had worked together on the

3026
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:28,560
hypnosis session in uh my documentary

3027
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:31,440
with uh judy dougherty who she and her

3028
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:34,000
daughter had watched a calf rise in a

3029
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:36,960
yellow beam of light outside of houston

3030
02:10:42,069 --> 02:10:39,440
uh all of that was in the film and we

3031
02:10:45,270 --> 02:10:42,079
all ended up leo sprinkle

3032
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:45,280
dr heineck myself and a bunch of other

3033
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:46,719
guys that were there

3034
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:51,679
we then all began to talk honestly and a

3035
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:54,960
real friendship was formed between dr

3036
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:56,639
heineck and me

3037
02:11:02,069 --> 02:10:58,079
even though

3038
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:02,079
it was so clear jimmy that he was so

3039
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,560
profoundly upset

3040
02:11:09,910 --> 02:11:06,960
at some core level

3041
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:09,920
because whatever he had been exposed to

3042
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:10,960
in his

3043
02:11:15,030 --> 02:11:13,040
so-called collaboration with the united

3044
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:15,040
states air force through project blue

3045
02:11:17,589 --> 02:11:16,000
book

3046
02:11:21,589 --> 02:11:17,599
uh on

3047
02:11:24,069 --> 02:11:21,599
on all of the uh lists that project blue

3048
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:24,079
book was giving to the public

3049
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:26,800
by then when we met

3050
02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:29,679
in what would have been two months after

3051
02:11:35,589 --> 02:11:33,280
uh may of 1980

3052
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:35,599
he already knew

3053
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:37,679
at some level

3054
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:38,560
that

3055
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:40,400
he had been conned

3056
02:11:46,149 --> 02:11:43,440
and he had been used as an astronomer

3057
02:11:47,669 --> 02:11:46,159
and now i'm going to explain why i say

3058
02:11:48,709 --> 02:11:47,679
that okay

3059
02:11:50,830 --> 02:11:48,719
okay

3060
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:50,840
so

3061
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:52,639
1980

3062
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:55,119
uh i saw and talked with jay allen

3063
02:12:02,629 --> 02:11:58,639
heineck in various places each year 81

3064
02:12:04,709 --> 02:12:02,639
82 83 84 85 we ended up we were speakers

3065
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,719
at the university of nebraska all of us

3066
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,480
we are becoming now

3067
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,480
really close friends and he would call

3068
02:12:16,390 --> 02:12:10,960
me on a variety of things

3069
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:19,350
uh he called with richard sigismund his

3070
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:21,520
good friend from boulder

3071
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:25,199
and he said linda could you join us

3072
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:27,840
for dinner i have just flown i'm going

3073
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:29,920
to be flying into denver

3074
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:32,880
uh and i want to see richard and i would

3075
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:35,040
like to see you and he said i'm coming

3076
02:12:39,109 --> 02:12:36,880
from

3077
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:39,119
a very puzzling

3078
02:12:43,510 --> 02:12:41,119
meeting and travel

3079
02:12:46,790 --> 02:12:43,520
to norton air force base in california i

3080
02:12:49,750 --> 02:12:46,800
want to talk with you about it

3081
02:12:51,390 --> 02:12:49,760
and i remember distinctly that the night

3082
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:51,400
was august 5th

3083
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:52,960
1985

3084
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:54,480
how the mind

3085
02:12:59,510 --> 02:12:57,360
can hold on to these important dates i

3086
02:13:03,109 --> 02:12:59,520
don't know but i remember that was the

3087
02:13:05,910 --> 02:13:03,119
date and it was uh i believe on a sunday

3088
02:13:07,109 --> 02:13:05,920
because the next day i was leaving

3089
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:07,119
for

3090
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:10,480
uh addis ababa in ethiopia

3091
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:13,360
to produce a film for unicef called new

3092
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:16,800
hope in child survival and that was part

3093
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:19,440
in my mind and i remember that date

3094
02:13:23,350 --> 02:13:20,960
because i was going to be going to

3095
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:23,360
africa the next day

3096
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:25,840
so we gather

3097
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,320
it's just the three of us

3098
02:13:33,430 --> 02:13:30,960
we're having dinner and what

3099
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:33,440
alan told us

3100
02:13:37,669 --> 02:13:36,560
was that he had gotten a call

3101
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,679
that

3102
02:13:42,830 --> 02:13:39,760
permission had been given

3103
02:13:45,790 --> 02:13:42,840
by somebody in the pentagon for him

3104
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:45,800
finally to see the real ufo

3105
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,239
extraterrestrial craft

3106
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:50,719
and assorted bodies at norton air force

3107
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:52,639
base whoa

3108
02:13:56,830 --> 02:13:54,000
and

3109
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:56,840
he was flown there

3110
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:58,480
and

3111
02:14:03,430 --> 02:14:00,800
then

3112
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:03,440
he's met by somebody

3113
02:14:11,030 --> 02:14:06,400
who tells him i'm sorry sir

3114
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:12,950
and he

3115
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:14,960
said to both of us

3116
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,440
almost agonized

3117
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:19,920
why would they do that

3118
02:14:24,790 --> 02:14:22,000
why would they tell me

3119
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:24,800
that i'm going to finally be shown

3120
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:28,000
the craft and the bodies

3121
02:14:31,830 --> 02:14:30,480
and i get all the way there

3122
02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:31,840
and then

3123
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:32,639
they

3124
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:35,119
pull back the permission

3125
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:38,400
and so that set the tone

3126
02:14:43,189 --> 02:14:40,719
to the rest of the discussion

3127
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:43,199
and there came this moment

3128
02:14:48,550 --> 02:14:46,000
i'm sitting in between j allen heineck

3129
02:14:51,589 --> 02:14:48,560
is on my right richard sigismund is on

3130
02:14:55,350 --> 02:14:52,790
allen

3131
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:55,360
reached out with both of his hands to my

3132
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:57,520
right arm

3133
02:15:01,990 --> 02:15:00,079
he grasped my arm

3134
02:15:02,950 --> 02:15:02,000
firmly

3135
02:15:04,870 --> 02:15:02,960
almost

3136
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:04,880
if you can imagine that you're

3137
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:07,599
horizontal with somebody at a table but

3138
02:15:12,870 --> 02:15:10,000
it feels like that they are clinging on

3139
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:12,880
and hanging from your arm sure

3140
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:16,400
it had that kind of energy in it

3141
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:17,280
and

3142
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:23,440
begin to fill up with tears

3143
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:26,400
and hanging on to my right arm

3144
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:29,920
he said with his voice breaking

3145
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:32,079
linda

3146
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:35,360
do you think i will ever be vindicated

3147
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:41,990
and all of the whole

3148
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:43,440
everything

3149
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:45,760
his whole life

3150
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:47,119
my life

3151
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:48,079
my

3152
02:15:53,710 --> 02:15:53,360
get to the truth

3153
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:53,720
and

3154
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:55,040
[Music]

3155
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:56,000
what

3156
02:16:02,550 --> 02:15:59,520
in that question he meant

3157
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:02,560
he's he's gotten so close to the holy

3158
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:06,000
grail and it's been denied

3159
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:07,040
and that

3160
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:08,880
he's asking

3161
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:10,400
because he doesn't

3162
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:13,280
want to go out of this life without

3163
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:16,000
knowing and seeing

3164
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,800
and

3165
02:16:20,709 --> 02:16:18,639
as he said that

3166
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:20,719
and the tears coming up

3167
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:21,840
he said

3168
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:24,000
that the next sentence i remember so

3169
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:27,990
i know

3170
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,639
that i was used

3171
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:32,880
i feel

3172
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:34,880
terrible

3173
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:39,359
of what i once did meaning he was the uh

3174
02:16:45,190 --> 02:16:41,840
he was the cover he was the scientist he

3175
02:16:47,669 --> 02:16:45,200
was the um it's swamp gas it's this it's

3176
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:47,679
that right for a long time he was doing

3177
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:49,359
a lot of covering for the air force

3178
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:51,040
that's right until

3179
02:16:55,030 --> 02:16:52,080
until

3180
02:16:56,309 --> 02:16:55,040
he couldn't take it anymore because he

3181
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:56,319
knew

3182
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:58,160
that's what he basically said to us that

3183
02:17:02,469 --> 02:16:59,040
night

3184
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:02,479
i knew i knew i was covering i knew i

3185
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:05,040
was being used

3186
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:05,920
and

3187
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:09,760
in that moment with those tears was this

3188
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:10,800
life

3189
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:14,479
that neither richard sigisman nor i knew

3190
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:19,120
at that moment in august of 1985

3191
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:23,040
that he would be dead by april of 1986

3192
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:24,479
that's right few months later that's

3193
02:17:29,830 --> 02:17:27,760
right and i went to africa

3194
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:29,840
and i didn't know

3195
02:17:32,549 --> 02:17:30,960
anything

3196
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:32,559
i didn't get back

3197
02:17:36,870 --> 02:17:33,840
for a month

3198
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:36,880
and uh and then i was in new york

3199
02:17:40,870 --> 02:17:38,960
and so i went from africa to new york

3200
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,880
and was creating the film and it was

3201
02:17:45,270 --> 02:17:42,479
somewhere when i was in new york that i

3202
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:45,280
got a call from richard sixman who said

3203
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:47,200
i have very bad news

3204
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:50,080
alan was diagnosed with prostate cancer

3205
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:53,679
but it has spread uh to his uh brain

3206
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:54,880
and uh

3207
02:18:01,509 --> 02:17:57,280
there isn't much time and all of that

3208
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:01,519
and and then he was gone in april

3209
02:18:05,750 --> 02:18:04,160
and that dinner that last dinner with

3210
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:05,760
him

3211
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:09,040
in my mind it is sort of a metaphor

3212
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:12,240
for the last uh from world war two on

3213
02:18:16,070 --> 02:18:15,120
for all of us right right that

3214
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:16,080
will

3215
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:17,040
we

3216
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:18,080
know

3217
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:20,160
the truth

3218
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:21,519
in our life

3219
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:25,280
the truth that we all know is there

3220
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:27,359
you know what the ironic thing you know

3221
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:30,240
the definition of irony right is is

3222
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:32,479
playing out once again with

3223
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:34,719
with uh jay allen heineck because in

3224
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:37,760
this new series here he is again from

3225
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:40,319
beyond the grave linda

3226
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:43,120
being used once again because in this

3227
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:45,439
new series he's running around with

3228
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:47,679
grays you know and

3229
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:49,760
and you know flying some of the things

3230
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:52,559
that happened right right

3231
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:56,240
right it's it it it's sad and i knew

3232
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:58,160
that and this is the this is what i love

3233
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:00,479
about the ufo community whether

3234
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,840
uh it's skeptics or debunkers or or

3235
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:05,760
experiencers it doesn't matter there's a

3236
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:07,760
lot of smart people in this community

3237
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:10,479
and if you're a history channel and you

3238
02:19:14,309 --> 02:19:12,719
are going look i've worked a lot with

3239
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:14,319
history channel and

3240
02:19:18,070 --> 02:19:16,639
and i don't want to be really uber

3241
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:18,080
negative here

3242
02:19:23,349 --> 02:19:20,880
but that being said if you are going to

3243
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,359
have a series like this where you're

3244
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:25,840
going to take creative license

3245
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:27,840
um we're talking about jay allen heineck

3246
02:19:34,549 --> 02:19:30,719
here a very important figure in history

3247
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,559
and to distort his real life like this i

3248
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:37,200
don't i don't find it cool and this

3249
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,399
community

3250
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:40,479
is going to blow holes in this they are

3251
02:19:44,070 --> 02:19:43,120
going to take this series apart

3252
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:44,080
and that's

3253
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:46,559
jimmy i've just told you the heart and

3254
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:49,280
the soul of j allen heineck

3255
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:52,640
in august before he died in april and i

3256
02:19:56,389 --> 02:19:55,200
was there with his hands clasping my

3257
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:56,399
right arm

3258
02:20:02,870 --> 02:19:59,760
asking will i be vindicated meaning

3259
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:02,880
will the truth come out in my life and i

3260
02:20:08,150 --> 02:20:06,000
understood that and under and it is

3261
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:08,160
and there's one more thing that you and

3262
02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:11,280
your audience should know

3263
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:14,319
uh that was such a surprise as i came to

3264
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,880
know and like and respect him very much

3265
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,800
when we were asked

3266
02:20:25,910 --> 02:20:23,359
to be speakers it was the university of

3267
02:20:30,469 --> 02:20:25,920
nebraska if i'm recalling and it was

3268
02:20:32,950 --> 02:20:30,479
somewhere like around maybe 82 83 and

3269
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:32,960
there were three of us who were speaking

3270
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:34,880
at the university i was speaking on

3271
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:36,640
animal mutilations

3272
02:20:43,190 --> 02:20:40,560
uh alan was speaking about the whole uh

3273
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:43,200
project blue book ufo stuff and the

3274
02:20:49,349 --> 02:20:47,359
third was a professor who was on the uh

3275
02:20:52,550 --> 02:20:49,359
in the congo he had been in the congo

3276
02:20:56,070 --> 02:20:52,560
looking for the possibility of a true

3277
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:56,080
residual dinosaur that the pygmies uh

3278
02:20:59,429 --> 02:20:58,640
drew and talked about and so and it was

3279
02:21:02,230 --> 02:20:59,439
called

3280
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:02,240
kili bembe uh was what the pygmies

3281
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:03,280
called it

3282
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:04,960
and so that was the

3283
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:07,280
those are the three of us speaking

3284
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:10,960
and uh fascinating and alan and that uh

3285
02:21:15,190 --> 02:21:12,399
scientists and

3286
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:15,200
myself we had dinner together uh that

3287
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:18,000
night and the discussions were just

3288
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,520
fascinating and incredible

3289
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:23,600
and he said linda

3290
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:27,439
after we speak tonight he said let's go

3291
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:29,680
and let our hair down remember this is

3292
02:21:35,429 --> 02:21:33,120
82 i just told you about the uh 85

3293
02:21:39,990 --> 02:21:35,439
dinner that is about three years before

3294
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,000
so he's like 71 72 73 years old he wants

3295
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,640
to go let his hair down i'm down

3296
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:44,479
with that he's saying to me let's let

3297
02:21:48,990 --> 02:21:46,640
our hair down and i'm thinking

3298
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:49,000
i'm now going to hear everything about

3299
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:52,160
extraterrestrials and ufos at all

3300
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:55,600
right so we went off into uh some side

3301
02:22:01,750 --> 02:21:59,120
room someplace and it was quiet

3302
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:01,760
and the first things he said

3303
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:04,240
the most important book

3304
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,359
that i have ever read in my life

3305
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:09,359
i would like to recommend that you get

3306
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,600
because i believe that it is related to

3307
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:13,439
everything that we are all trying to

3308
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:14,960
understand

3309
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:17,760
and this is what he said

3310
02:22:20,870 --> 02:22:18,800
it is

3311
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,880
rudolph steiner's

3312
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,720
theosophy

3313
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:25,760
i had never heard of rudolph steiner or

3314
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,359
theosophy as he is looking at me

3315
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:30,880
with this kind of excitement

3316
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,520
intellectual excitement about this very

3317
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:36,160
important book that i must get and when

3318
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:38,720
i told him i'm sorry i'm i'm not

3319
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:40,240
familiar and he said that's why i'm

3320
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:41,280
telling you

3321
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,399
you must get this book you must read it

3322
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:47,120
it is at the core of everything we are

3323
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:48,240
dealing with

3324
02:22:51,349 --> 02:22:50,160
all right now i'm going to jump cut when

3325
02:22:54,150 --> 02:22:51,359
i got home

3326
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,160
first thing i did was go get this book

3327
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:56,640
right and i uh

3328
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,200
set aside everything else and i just sat

3329
02:23:04,469 --> 02:23:02,080
and read theosophy by rudolph steiner

3330
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:04,479
until i finished it

3331
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:07,200
and it is a book

3332
02:23:14,550 --> 02:23:10,960
about the importance of the soul

3333
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:14,560
and that the soul is the most important

3334
02:23:18,630 --> 02:23:16,960
part of matter

3335
02:23:23,510 --> 02:23:18,640
existence

3336
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:24,710
it is

3337
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:27,760
as if you are

3338
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:32,000
encountering an entirely new language

3339
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:35,120
an entirely new way to relate to your

3340
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:36,640
own body

3341
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:38,640
your own mind

3342
02:23:44,830 --> 02:23:41,600
your own spirit and your own soul

3343
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:44,840
that to me is the value of reading

3344
02:23:49,510 --> 02:23:48,000
theosophy so what would this ever have

3345
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:49,520
to do

3346
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:51,600
with extraterrestrial biological

3347
02:23:55,510 --> 02:23:54,319
entities well

3348
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:55,520
now

3349
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:57,840
in 2019

3350
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:00,399
as some of you who go to my wednesday

3351
02:24:05,910 --> 02:24:03,200
night youtube channel that i do now on a

3352
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:05,920
weekly basis

3353
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:08,399
i have done for the first time in my

3354
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:09,680
life

3355
02:24:14,309 --> 02:24:12,479
more about this subject than i ever

3356
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:14,319
thought that i would be relating to

3357
02:24:19,830 --> 02:24:17,040
other people and it has been

3358
02:24:22,309 --> 02:24:19,840
the feedback from the audiences around

3359
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:22,319
the world i'm getting communications

3360
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:25,120
from all over the world

3361
02:24:31,590 --> 02:24:27,680
of people saying

3362
02:24:34,150 --> 02:24:31,600
i've never told anybody this

3363
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:34,160
and it has to do with

3364
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:39,910
has to do with what happens at the

3365
02:24:45,030 --> 02:24:42,399
passing of a loved one

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and all of it comes back to

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what is the relationship of the

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animating force

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of our mind

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and our soul and our spirit and our

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body and that it may be that part of

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this big huge story

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is that there are

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consciousnesses in this universe that do

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02:25:11,750 --> 02:25:07,680
not have souls

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and that we may have one of the most

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valuable diamonds

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in the cosmos

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that

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ironically in the 21st century

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so many people in the western world only

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give it lip service as if it were a

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valentine when it is the most important

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part

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of being a conscious being

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here

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and that is what

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jay allen heinek's most important legacy

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was to me and i hope in sharing this

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tonight with you

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and your audience that a lot of you will

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read theosophy

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not with the idea of revelation

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but with the idea that maybe jl and

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heinek had been exposed to what a bunch

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of us are being exposed to now right

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that the extraterrestrial

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situation

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is one that involves other dimensions

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other timelines as well as our matter

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universe and that we

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humans

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we may be something

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that was a shock

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to the genetic manipulators

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because we ended up with a strong

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let's take a break right here linda when

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we come back

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we've got to uh talk about 2019

3410
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:30,960
and disclosure i want your

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thoughts on all of that

3412
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and elon musk and that famous tweet is

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is absolutely

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i mean seriously so let's let's take a

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break right here

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and uh and there's two guys you know

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there's two guys that i would have loved

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to have interviewed jay allen heineck

3419
02:26:54,389 --> 02:26:51,840
and and lloyd pie right and those are

3420
02:26:57,510 --> 02:26:54,399
two guys that i didn't get a chance

3421
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:57,520
to uh interview and and and will never

3422
02:27:02,630 --> 02:26:59,520
get a chance to so thank you for sharing

3423
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that uh j alan heineck insight with uh

3424
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:04,160
us in the audience we'll take a break

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right here linda moulton howe is our

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all right welcome back fade to black

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02:31:53,349 --> 02:31:50,960
doing a little overtime with our guest

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02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,359
tonight linda moulton howe

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02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:55,200
i'm your host jimmy church this is spade

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02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:57,120
to black on the game changer network and

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02:32:01,270 --> 02:31:59,200
kgra the planet

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02:32:03,429 --> 02:32:01,280
you can follow me on twitter at j church

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02:32:06,469 --> 02:32:03,439
radio and of course you can follow linda

3521
02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:06,479
at earth files on twitter now linda here

3522
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:08,560
we are 2019

3523
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:10,800
i've got uh flowers hanging out of my

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02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:13,600
pocket i see the rainbows in front of us

3525
02:32:17,990 --> 02:32:16,080
and but who would have thunk

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02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:18,000
that disclosure would have gotten a

3527
02:32:22,550 --> 02:32:21,520
kickstart uh by none other than elon

3528
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:22,560
musk

3529
02:32:26,309 --> 02:32:25,120
and that

3530
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:26,319
yeah

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02:32:31,190 --> 02:32:28,000
i was uh

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02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:31,200
i started laughing when it was january

3533
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:32,319
5th

3534
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,520
and uh

3535
02:32:37,590 --> 02:32:35,280
this um

3536
02:32:38,950 --> 02:32:37,600
somebody said it to me in an email elon

3537
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:38,960
musk

3538
02:32:44,469 --> 02:32:41,920
tweet links apollo 11 astronaut neil

3539
02:32:47,830 --> 02:32:44,479
armstrong to alien presence

3540
02:32:53,910 --> 02:32:47,840
and this is what i posted at earth files

3541
02:32:55,349 --> 02:32:53,920
and it was this tweet in which elon musk

3542
02:32:59,750 --> 02:32:55,359
put out

3543
02:33:02,469 --> 02:32:59,760
a picture of neil armstrong on the left

3544
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:02,479
on a very scowling

3545
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:05,680
uh very menacing looking gray

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02:33:09,750 --> 02:33:07,040
on the right

3547
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:09,760
so think of neil armstrong holding his

3548
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:12,240
astronaut helmet and with the moon in

3549
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:14,080
the background and then on the right is

3550
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:17,120
this very very very mean looking gray

3551
02:33:20,469 --> 02:33:18,000
and

3552
02:33:24,550 --> 02:33:20,479
up at the top elon musk

3553
02:33:26,150 --> 02:33:24,560
the ceo of tesla motors and spacex

3554
02:33:29,190 --> 02:33:26,160
writes this

3555
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:29,200
neil armstrong was the first person to

3556
02:33:32,710 --> 02:33:31,520
land on the moon

3557
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:32,720
neil

3558
02:33:38,150 --> 02:33:35,600
a period backwards

3559
02:33:39,190 --> 02:33:38,160
spells alien

3560
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:39,200
and

3561
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:40,560
that is true

3562
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:42,319
when

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02:33:47,030 --> 02:33:45,359
that what he's saying is true and then

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02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:47,040
down below

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02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:51,680
the photos elon musk at elon musk he

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02:33:54,830 --> 02:33:52,800
says

3567
02:33:56,550 --> 02:33:54,840
there are no

3568
02:33:59,510 --> 02:33:56,560
coincidences

3569
02:34:02,230 --> 02:33:59,520
and it says if i mean it doesn't take

3570
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:02,240
much of two plus two equals four he's

3571
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:05,200
obviously been exposed to what i and

3572
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:08,640
others have been told that we have known

3573
02:34:13,670 --> 02:34:11,439
for a very long time about an alien

3574
02:34:16,790 --> 02:34:13,680
presence using our moon

3575
02:34:19,190 --> 02:34:16,800
and that is something that probably elon

3576
02:34:22,389 --> 02:34:19,200
musk has had maybe even a briefing about

3577
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,399
because he's the ceo of spacex

3578
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,080
and that's going to be one of the

3579
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:26,319
companies that is going to help uh if

3580
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:28,319
we're going to have a lunar base now

3581
02:34:34,070 --> 02:34:31,359
with a space force uh elon musk is going

3582
02:34:37,190 --> 02:34:34,080
to be involved and it's like

3583
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:37,200
in a lot of different directions

3584
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:40,560
these kinds of signals are coming more

3585
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:42,319
and more frequently

3586
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:44,479
that there are a whole bunch of people

3587
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:47,040
just waiting for that official we're not

3588
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:48,960
alone in this universe we never have

3589
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:52,000
been there are alien intelligences on

3590
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:54,560
our planet under the surface of our

3591
02:34:59,349 --> 02:34:57,680
planet on the back side of the moon

3592
02:35:00,389 --> 02:34:59,359
inside of the moon

3593
02:35:03,429 --> 02:35:00,399
mars

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02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:03,439
uh out through the milky way galaxy and

3595
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:04,240
that

3596
02:35:10,070 --> 02:35:07,359
it is not going to come maybe as big a

3597
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:10,080
shock because everybody has been being

3598
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:13,120
conditioned about this for 70 years

3599
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:15,840
going all the way back to the davier sid

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02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:18,640
still was the central intelligence

3601
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:20,000
agency's

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02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:23,359
first planted script we know this now

3603
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:26,080
historically and it was done through a

3604
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:27,359
cut out

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02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:29,840
cutouts or companies that the cia

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02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:31,439
controls

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02:35:37,510 --> 02:35:34,479
in hollywood and the day the earth stood

3608
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,520
still was their first test of the

3609
02:35:43,270 --> 02:35:40,399
american public to the concept of an

3610
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,280
extraterrestrial coming with a robot

3611
02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:46,000
to earth with the ability to shut down

3612
02:35:51,389 --> 02:35:48,800
entire electric grids and that what was

3613
02:35:52,950 --> 02:35:51,399
the bottom line in the

3614
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:52,960
extraterrestrials

3615
02:35:59,429 --> 02:35:56,240
warning to the political government

3616
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:59,439
had to do with you can't explode nuclear

3617
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:00,560
weapons

3618
02:36:06,389 --> 02:36:03,520
and this is what i find fascinating with

3619
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:06,399
with elon and that tweet

3620
02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:10,000
um if i i don't see it as comedy you're

3621
02:36:15,990 --> 02:36:13,200
not going to take a crack at neil

3622
02:36:17,910 --> 02:36:16,000
armstrong and and make a joke like that

3623
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,920
you're just not going to do it that's

3624
02:36:22,469 --> 02:36:19,920
the first thing second

3625
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:22,479
he's got nearly uh

3626
02:36:28,469 --> 02:36:26,240
24 25 million followers

3627
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:28,479
now our community is one thing linda

3628
02:36:32,950 --> 02:36:30,960
it's a big community you've got uh your

3629
02:36:34,070 --> 02:36:32,960
your your followers and your fan base

3630
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:34,080
out there and

3631
02:36:39,429 --> 02:36:37,600
and and this community is what it is but

3632
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:39,439
none of us in

3633
02:36:45,590 --> 02:36:42,720
uh this community has a 25 million

3634
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:45,600
follower base on twitter where you are

3635
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:49,040
now feeding this information out too

3636
02:36:54,630 --> 02:36:51,840
what is the message he is sending to

3637
02:36:57,349 --> 02:36:54,640
them that you know those 24 million

3638
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,359
followers they don't know who linda

3639
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:59,680
molten how is or jimmy church or art

3640
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:01,520
bell right

3641
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:04,160
it's a message that's being sent out

3642
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:07,040
beyond our community what's the reason

3643
02:37:12,630 --> 02:37:08,800
for doing that

3644
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:12,640
i think it's because he's an iconoclast

3645
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:16,240
he's a rebel he is a lone wolf he always

3646
02:37:21,429 --> 02:37:20,240
has been and he has information

3647
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:21,439
and

3648
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:22,560
to him

3649
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:25,280
i can i can just the the gestalt of the

3650
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:26,080
guy

3651
02:37:27,830 --> 02:37:26,800
is

3652
02:37:30,630 --> 02:37:27,840
just like

3653
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:30,640
uh you i and others feel

3654
02:37:33,670 --> 02:37:31,439
this

3655
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:33,680
nuts

3656
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:35,840
to have everything so secret about

3657
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:38,960
something that is so important and that

3658
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:41,920
um that his company and other companies

3659
02:37:45,910 --> 02:37:44,080
that are going to be going to the moon

3660
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:45,920
they're going to have to be dealing with

3661
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:49,359
exactly what this that navy special ops

3662
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:52,640
sent to me this is not historic

3663
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:54,479
that what i read to you

3664
02:38:01,429 --> 02:37:57,840
from my that special ops uh

3665
02:38:02,870 --> 02:38:01,439
person was that came after uh some of my

3666
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:02,880
postings

3667
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:06,560
it was about the uh here it is

3668
02:38:13,670 --> 02:38:09,920
this is december 2018. we're only at

3669
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:13,680
january 15 2019 so this is

3670
02:38:16,630 --> 02:38:15,439
about three weeks ago

3671
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:16,640
quote

3672
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:19,840
this is us navy special ops

3673
02:38:26,070 --> 02:38:24,080
we are indeed in conflict with various

3674
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:26,080
alien beings

3675
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:29,120
some of which are cybernetic

3676
02:38:34,469 --> 02:38:32,160
we continue to lose many good men to

3677
02:38:37,510 --> 02:38:34,479
this quiet conflict

3678
02:38:41,910 --> 02:38:37,520
different types of alien craft have been

3679
02:38:44,950 --> 02:38:41,920
located on earth the moon and on mars

3680
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:44,960
some alien craft we still can't

3681
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:49,359
penetrate or board close quote now

3682
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:51,600
to soften this

3683
02:38:57,190 --> 02:38:55,120
so that audiences i don't feel any fear

3684
02:38:58,870 --> 02:38:57,200
i don't know anybody who feels fear

3685
02:39:01,110 --> 02:38:58,880
about any of this

3686
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:01,120
and and why

3687
02:39:06,550 --> 02:39:03,760
the remote viewers

3688
02:39:08,710 --> 02:39:06,560
people who have worked in these agencies

3689
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:08,720
they all say the same thing

3690
02:39:14,389 --> 02:39:11,840
there are friendlies that are allies

3691
02:39:16,550 --> 02:39:14,399
there are a lot of neutrals

3692
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:16,560
and then there are some hostiles which

3693
02:39:22,469 --> 02:39:20,000
would be what this uh quote is about

3694
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:22,479
but that the allies

3695
02:39:28,469 --> 02:39:24,960
have been holding off

3696
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:28,479
the problems with any hostiles probably

3697
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:31,200
because those that are friendly

3698
02:39:36,790 --> 02:39:34,319
they probably get metals they get

3699
02:39:39,190 --> 02:39:36,800
genetic material they get whatever it is

3700
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:39,200
that they would be getting like we trade

3701
02:39:45,510 --> 02:39:42,560
with nations uh as a so-called

3702
02:39:46,870 --> 02:39:45,520
industrial industrialized surface life

3703
02:39:48,790 --> 02:39:46,880
on earth

3704
02:39:51,750 --> 02:39:48,800
that everybody has something that

3705
02:39:52,790 --> 02:39:51,760
they're getting out of all of this

3706
02:39:55,910 --> 02:39:52,800
and that

3707
02:39:58,870 --> 02:39:55,920
as long as we have allies and there are

3708
02:40:01,510 --> 02:39:58,880
neutrals and they outweigh whatever it

3709
02:40:03,190 --> 02:40:01,520
is out there that uh one man told me

3710
02:40:07,750 --> 02:40:03,200
just uh two or three weeks ago he said

3711
02:40:09,349 --> 02:40:07,760
linda the truth is we have skirmishes

3712
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:09,359
skirmishes

3713
02:40:15,590 --> 02:40:12,560
with ufos well a skirmish

3714
02:40:16,710 --> 02:40:15,600
in terms of military lingo

3715
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:16,720
means

3716
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:18,240
something

3717
02:40:24,469 --> 02:40:19,760
goes wrong

3718
02:40:27,429 --> 02:40:24,479
it's like conflict but it's not war

3719
02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:27,439
you do you see that i do i do i do it's

3720
02:40:33,190 --> 02:40:30,399
a step down a step you know it's just a

3721
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:33,200
skosh back right yeah

3722
02:40:38,950 --> 02:40:36,319
the um uh i just reposted elon's

3723
02:40:40,309 --> 02:40:38,960
original tweet and and i just went to go

3724
02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:40,319
look at it

3725
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:41,520
um

3726
02:40:44,550 --> 02:40:42,479
seven

3727
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:44,560
nearly 700

3728
02:40:49,110 --> 02:40:47,359
000 likes

3729
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:49,120
683

3730
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:51,040
right

3731
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,439
and yeah and for him to say there are no

3732
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:55,439
coincidences it's not like he goes there

3733
02:41:01,270 --> 02:40:57,200
are no coincidences

3734
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:01,280
l-o-l right he doesn't do that

3735
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:03,840
i know i know uh

3736
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:06,000
and maybe this year

3737
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:07,359
uh

3738
02:41:14,870 --> 02:41:08,319
that

3739
02:41:17,590 --> 02:41:14,880
in the universe right maybe this is

3740
02:41:20,230 --> 02:41:17,600
going to be the year because i just turn

3741
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:20,240
around and ask you jimmy

3742
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:22,640
can you imagine

3743
02:41:28,150 --> 02:41:25,600
us all on this planet going

3744
02:41:31,270 --> 02:41:28,160
to 2020 without

3745
02:41:33,190 --> 02:41:31,280
this becoming public breakthrough

3746
02:41:35,270 --> 02:41:33,200
knowledge we're not alone in this

3747
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:35,280
universe and we never have can you

3748
02:41:38,710 --> 02:41:37,680
imagine going beyond this year with that

3749
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:38,720
still

3750
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:41,920
not being broken open no i i i i really

3751
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:44,399
feel that this is this is the year that

3752
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:46,960
it's going to break out there there's

3753
02:41:51,190 --> 02:41:50,000
just too much stuff now and it's not

3754
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:51,200
only coming

3755
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,359
from this community but it is uh

3756
02:41:59,349 --> 02:41:58,000
the government it's science it's nasa

3757
02:42:00,550 --> 02:41:59,359
it's hubble

3758
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:00,560
it's uh

3759
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:03,359
uh the um uh

3760
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:05,040
trying to think of the uh radio

3761
02:42:18,309 --> 02:42:08,240
telescope in in argentina

3762
02:42:21,830 --> 02:42:21,030
it's called chime in in argentina that

3763
02:42:27,510 --> 02:42:21,840
one

3764
02:42:30,550 --> 02:42:27,520
down these fsb's too as well and it's i

3765
02:42:32,950 --> 02:42:30,560
yeah i i think it's it's it's science

3766
02:42:35,910 --> 02:42:32,960
it's this community and the military

3767
02:42:37,830 --> 02:42:35,920
industrial complex uh it's all gonna

3768
02:42:39,750 --> 02:42:37,840
come to a head and i'm very excited

3769
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:39,760
about this now i wanted to ask you

3770
02:42:44,950 --> 02:42:43,120
really quick um at conscious life expo

3771
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:44,960
what are you going to be speaking on

3772
02:42:49,110 --> 02:42:46,560
this year

3773
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:49,120
one of the most important things that i

3774
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:52,240
have been doing is

3775
02:42:58,870 --> 02:42:55,120
whistleblowers who have knowledge about

3776
02:43:02,309 --> 02:42:58,880
ancient archaeology in antarctica

3777
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:02,319
and i have something extremely special

3778
02:43:05,590 --> 02:43:04,720
that i am breaking open

3779
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:05,600
in

3780
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:08,960
expo

3781
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:12,080
i'm doing what is going on in the

3782
02:43:15,910 --> 02:43:13,359
antarctic

3783
02:43:19,510 --> 02:43:15,920
and that is a workshop that i do on

3784
02:43:20,309 --> 02:43:19,520
saturday february 23rd and

3785
02:43:24,870 --> 02:43:20,319
it

3786
02:43:28,950 --> 02:43:24,880
is i'm going to be sharing

3787
02:43:31,110 --> 02:43:28,960
and i'm also uh very interested

3788
02:43:33,510 --> 02:43:31,120
in something that i brought up in my

3789
02:43:35,030 --> 02:43:33,520
earth files youtube channel a couple of

3790
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:35,040
months ago

3791
02:43:41,110 --> 02:43:36,880
and that was

3792
02:43:43,590 --> 02:43:41,120
uh the whole question of how many people

3793
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:43,600
can remember even if they've never told

3794
02:43:49,590 --> 02:43:46,240
a human being not their parents not

3795
02:43:53,349 --> 02:43:49,600
siblings not a wife a husband no one

3796
02:43:55,750 --> 02:43:53,359
how many remember being between age four

3797
02:43:58,469 --> 02:43:55,760
to around six or seven

3798
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:58,479
floating up out of their body

3799
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:01,120
at night when they go to sleep or they

3800
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:04,399
wake up or it's going to sleep or some

3801
02:44:07,429 --> 02:44:05,680
variation

3802
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:07,439
and i have had

3803
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:09,680
uh i have a folder

3804
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:11,120
filled with some of the most

3805
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:13,439
extraordinary letters that i have ever

3806
02:44:17,349 --> 02:44:14,560
read

3807
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:17,359
from my fellow human beings and so i'm

3808
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:19,920
also going to be doing a

3809
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:22,720
post conference a special workshop on

3810
02:44:26,469 --> 02:44:24,960
mysterious childhood out of travel

3811
02:44:30,630 --> 02:44:26,479
experience

3812
02:44:32,469 --> 02:44:30,640
and then i'm on the ancient aliens panel

3813
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:32,479
chariots of the gods

3814
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:35,439
i'm on the are extraterrestrials

3815
02:44:41,269 --> 02:44:38,319
stepping up our evolution and i think

3816
02:44:42,550 --> 02:44:41,279
that is the greatest subject because

3817
02:44:45,030 --> 02:44:42,560
hybrids

3818
02:44:47,110 --> 02:44:45,040
are one of the big subjects

3819
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:47,120
on this planet now

3820
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:50,160
how if you look back in the history of

3821
02:44:55,110 --> 02:44:52,560
evolving primates on earth

3822
02:44:58,070 --> 02:44:55,120
and how many there have been and each

3823
02:44:59,510 --> 02:44:58,080
one was replaced neanderthalensis was

3824
02:45:01,349 --> 02:44:59,520
replaced by

3825
02:45:04,630 --> 02:45:01,359
homo sapien sapien

3826
02:45:07,190 --> 02:45:04,640
well are we also in a wave of

3827
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:07,200
replacement but can

3828
02:45:11,590 --> 02:45:09,040
can it be

3829
02:45:12,550 --> 02:45:11,600
that it could be better

3830
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:12,560
that

3831
02:45:15,830 --> 02:45:14,560
the replacement

3832
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:15,840
isn't like

3833
02:45:21,910 --> 02:45:17,840
an annihilation

3834
02:45:25,590 --> 02:45:21,920
it's an evolution in which the species

3835
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:25,600
hopefully becomes less tribal

3836
02:45:28,630 --> 02:45:26,960
less warring

3837
02:45:29,910 --> 02:45:28,640
less violent

3838
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:29,920
stronger

3839
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:32,720
and biologically to go into space

3840
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:35,920
because the current human body is not

3841
02:45:42,469 --> 02:45:39,760
made to go out into space but maybe

3842
02:45:44,710 --> 02:45:42,479
we're on an evolutionary track

3843
02:45:46,870 --> 02:45:44,720
in which something is going to emerge

3844
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:46,880
that will be extremely bright and

3845
02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:48,800
extremely strong

3846
02:45:51,190 --> 02:45:49,600
and

3847
02:45:54,389 --> 02:45:51,200
my prayer will be

3848
02:45:56,950 --> 02:45:54,399
that humans will always have strong soul

3849
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:56,960
you know we just talked about uh jay

3850
02:46:02,230 --> 02:46:00,720
allen heineck and and his important uh

3851
02:46:05,429 --> 02:46:02,240
place in history

3852
02:46:07,990 --> 02:46:05,439
and here we are i i can't even believe

3853
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,000
that we're doing this but it's the 50th

3854
02:46:12,309 --> 02:46:10,080
anniversary of chariots of the gods and

3855
02:46:14,790 --> 02:46:12,319
you just mentioned i'll be hosting the

3856
02:46:16,389 --> 02:46:14,800
panel uh friday night and you'll be on

3857
02:46:18,150 --> 02:46:16,399
that panel of course

3858
02:46:19,830 --> 02:46:18,160
uh uh

3859
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:19,840
we're gonna be doing chariots of the

3860
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:22,960
gods and with eric von daniken

3861
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:24,880
but how important

3862
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:26,560
uh you know

3863
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,560
with with this community and with the

3864
02:46:33,110 --> 02:46:30,240
exposure of everything

3865
02:46:35,670 --> 02:46:33,120
is eric von daniken and and that book in

3866
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:35,680
the original film chariots of the gods

3867
02:46:39,830 --> 02:46:37,279
you know to you personally and to the

3868
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:39,840
community it's an extraordinary event 50

3869
02:46:43,269 --> 02:46:41,760
years

3870
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:43,279
well and

3871
02:46:50,309 --> 02:46:47,760
cheers raw for eric for eric von dunican

3872
02:46:53,429 --> 02:46:50,319
because he had the guts and he had the

3873
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:53,439
intelligence 50 years ago

3874
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:56,880
to lay out in a book what was the truth

3875
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:00,399
and he got lambasted by scientists he

3876
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:03,439
got lambasted by academics he got lamb

3877
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:06,399
lambasted all over the place but

3878
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:07,760
the public

3879
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:10,640
in just embraced that book right and it

3880
02:47:16,630 --> 02:47:14,560
has ridden a wave for 50 years and

3881
02:47:19,830 --> 02:47:16,640
chariots of the gods

3882
02:47:22,630 --> 02:47:19,840
resonate with human beings at some

3883
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:22,640
strange core level and i think that's

3884
02:47:27,910 --> 02:47:25,520
that's it i mean truth is truth is truth

3885
02:47:31,190 --> 02:47:27,920
when it's recognized and that's what

3886
02:47:34,389 --> 02:47:31,200
eric did yeah the book today

3887
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:34,399
in in with anybody i i would hand it off

3888
02:47:43,349 --> 02:47:35,359
to

3889
02:47:46,790 --> 02:47:43,359
back in 1968 1969

3890
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:46,800
yeah yeah it's become more relevant not

3891
02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:48,479
less that's right

3892
02:47:52,710 --> 02:47:50,399
i mean what an achievement what an

3893
02:47:54,550 --> 02:47:52,720
achievement and he is so so much fun to

3894
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:54,560
sit down and talk to

3895
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:57,439
uh and so approachable and and here we

3896
02:48:03,030 --> 02:47:59,920
are i can't even believe it 2019 i

3897
02:48:05,349 --> 02:48:03,040
remember uh giving you your reward a

3898
02:48:07,110 --> 02:48:05,359
couple of years ago at the same panel by

3899
02:48:09,349 --> 02:48:07,120
the way

3900
02:48:11,830 --> 02:48:09,359
at the same time and and here we are you

3901
02:48:13,750 --> 02:48:11,840
and i will be doing this uh uh this year

3902
02:48:15,590 --> 02:48:13,760
with eric von daniken i'm just so

3903
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:15,600
excited about that it's to be a great

3904
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:17,040
weekend

3905
02:48:20,469 --> 02:48:18,560
yes and

3906
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:20,479
everybody listening

3907
02:48:24,790 --> 02:48:23,680
this isn't a community

3908
02:48:27,830 --> 02:48:24,800
this is

3909
02:48:29,750 --> 02:48:27,840
our world of the human family

3910
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:29,760
and every human

3911
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:31,920
on this planet

3912
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:34,960
deserves to know the truth about our

3913
02:48:40,070 --> 02:48:38,240
real origins our real relationship with

3914
02:48:41,030 --> 02:48:40,080
other intelligences

3915
02:48:42,870 --> 02:48:41,040
because

3916
02:48:47,110 --> 02:48:42,880
until that happens

3917
02:48:48,469 --> 02:48:47,120
humans being kept dumb and blind weakens

3918
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:48,479
all humans

3919
02:48:53,510 --> 02:48:50,960
and that is that's what we've got to

3920
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:53,520
break not a community

3921
02:49:00,870 --> 02:48:56,720
that is small we've got to make this the

3922
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,880
entire world deserves the truth

3923
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:02,560
how do you think it's going to happen if

3924
02:49:07,269 --> 02:49:04,960
you had your linda moulton howe crystal

3925
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:07,279
ball out right and you're looking into

3926
02:49:10,950 --> 02:49:09,120
this crystal ball

3927
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:10,960
what's going to

3928
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:14,160
force disclosure in 2019 is it going to

3929
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,120
be a document done from anonymous right

3930
02:49:22,469 --> 02:49:19,439
on wikileaks is it going to be an event

3931
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:22,479
in the sky is it

3932
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:23,920
what do you think is going to

3933
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:27,760
uh force the hand of disclosure in 2019

3934
02:49:32,710 --> 02:49:29,760
it could come through china because

3935
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:32,720
they've got the changi on the back side

3936
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:35,680
and depending upon what the grey beings

3937
02:49:40,389 --> 02:49:37,520
or any other beings

3938
02:49:41,429 --> 02:49:40,399
decide that they want to do with humans

3939
02:49:43,670 --> 02:49:41,439
going

3940
02:49:47,110 --> 02:49:43,680
to an area where they have clearly

3941
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:47,120
warned uh the world away in the past

3942
02:49:53,670 --> 02:49:50,000
would they warn again or will they

3943
02:49:56,550 --> 02:49:53,680
embrace this or will there be something

3944
02:49:58,710 --> 02:49:56,560
that occurs and china will make the

3945
02:50:00,710 --> 02:49:58,720
announcement that would be very

3946
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:00,720
interesting uh

3947
02:50:03,510 --> 02:50:02,560
kind of a surprise

3948
02:50:06,710 --> 02:50:03,520
because

3949
02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:06,720
for so long it has been just anticipated

3950
02:50:09,910 --> 02:50:08,720
and expected that the united states of

3951
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,920
america

3952
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:11,520
would be the nation

3953
02:50:15,190 --> 02:50:13,600
that would make this announcement if

3954
02:50:18,630 --> 02:50:15,200
there was going to be one it would be

3955
02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:18,640
the united states and uh remember uh

3956
02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:21,040
that there was uh

3957
02:50:26,469 --> 02:50:24,160
that nixon mao

3958
02:50:29,510 --> 02:50:26,479
scott jones was

3959
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:29,520
asked task by senator pell to go to

3960
02:50:33,510 --> 02:50:30,960
china

3961
02:50:36,070 --> 02:50:33,520
in the early 1970s

3962
02:50:38,870 --> 02:50:36,080
specifically to try to find out with

3963
02:50:39,990 --> 02:50:38,880
official state department documents

3964
02:50:41,349 --> 02:50:40,000
what did

3965
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:41,359
china

3966
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:43,200
in the mao

3967
02:50:49,110 --> 02:50:45,600
atmosphere what did they have in terms

3968
02:50:50,790 --> 02:50:49,120
of craft technology bodies all of that

3969
02:50:52,070 --> 02:50:50,800
and scott jones said they have

3970
02:50:54,309 --> 02:50:52,080
everything

3971
02:50:57,750 --> 02:50:54,319
and that when he was getting ready to

3972
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:57,760
leave and had been shown so many things

3973
02:51:02,309 --> 02:50:59,439
that were the hard evidence that the

3974
02:51:05,510 --> 02:51:02,319
rest of the world would love to see

3975
02:51:07,269 --> 02:51:05,520
but he asked for his translator

3976
02:51:10,550 --> 02:51:07,279
you have everything

3977
02:51:12,550 --> 02:51:10,560
that all uh humans want to see the the

3978
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:12,560
hard evidence

3979
02:51:16,550 --> 02:51:15,200
why are you not announcing this to the

3980
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:16,560
world

3981
02:51:22,309 --> 02:51:19,840
and scott jones said that the political

3982
02:51:25,510 --> 02:51:22,319
people assigned to him the one that was

3983
02:51:27,990 --> 02:51:25,520
the head or the spokesman put his hands

3984
02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:28,000
together in front of him and bowed to

3985
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:30,560
scott jones and when he stood back up he

3986
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:31,520
said

3987
02:51:37,269 --> 02:51:33,680
because we are waiting

3988
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:37,279
for the united states to act

3989
02:51:40,630 --> 02:51:39,359
now i asked scott when i did an

3990
02:51:43,750 --> 02:51:40,640
interview with him

3991
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:43,760
about this uh about 10 years ago

3992
02:51:49,429 --> 02:51:46,960
it's also at earthfiles.com you just

3993
02:51:51,670 --> 02:51:49,439
do a search at earth files for scott

3994
02:51:53,990 --> 02:51:51,680
jones and you'll see this amazing

3995
02:51:55,590 --> 02:51:54,000
interview we did about his china trip in

3996
02:51:56,870 --> 02:51:55,600
the 70s

3997
02:51:58,830 --> 02:51:56,880
and

3998
02:52:00,710 --> 02:51:58,840
the

3999
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:00,720
issue

4000
02:52:05,349 --> 02:52:02,399
of

4001
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:05,359
why would china

4002
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:06,560
defer

4003
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:08,880
to the united states

4004
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:12,080
and scott and i ended up talking about

4005
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:14,720
could it possibly be that when richard

4006
02:52:17,750 --> 02:52:16,000
nixon

4007
02:52:20,070 --> 02:52:17,760
went to china

4008
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:20,080
and had that meeting with mao that what

4009
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:22,800
they were actually communicating about

4010
02:52:27,670 --> 02:52:26,720
was the extraterrestrial alien presence

4011
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:27,680
that

4012
02:52:34,950 --> 02:52:32,240
decision privately

4013
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:34,960
with china maybe nixon asked because

4014
02:52:38,870 --> 02:52:37,120
nixon was learning about ufos and et's

4015
02:52:41,429 --> 02:52:38,880
from eisenhower that's right uh we've

4016
02:52:44,070 --> 02:52:41,439
got all kinds of documentation on that

4017
02:52:45,269 --> 02:52:44,080
and that it may have been that nixon was

4018
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:45,279
saying

4019
02:52:51,269 --> 02:52:49,200
we in the united states would appreciate

4020
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:51,279
being allowed

4021
02:52:57,830 --> 02:52:54,319
to continue the work that we are doing

4022
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:57,840
with these beings and that we would like

4023
02:53:01,910 --> 02:52:59,760
to have an agreement

4024
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:01,920
that you will wait

4025
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:04,479
until we are ready to make an

4026
02:53:09,750 --> 02:53:07,359
announcement and i can imagine some kind

4027
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:09,760
of a discussion like that going on

4028
02:53:16,309 --> 02:53:13,520
between nixon and mel and then

4029
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:16,319
here we are 2019 and we still haven't

4030
02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:19,680
had the revelation well

4031
02:53:23,110 --> 02:53:21,120
maybe

4032
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:23,120
chi in china

4033
02:53:27,349 --> 02:53:25,920
will decide that having the the backside

4034
02:53:28,950 --> 02:53:27,359
and whatever

4035
02:53:30,230 --> 02:53:28,960
who knows what they're going to end up

4036
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,240
with proof

4037
02:53:33,670 --> 02:53:32,319
uh that they would make the announcement

4038
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:33,680
and

4039
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:35,439
maybe they've been waiting all this time

4040
02:53:40,870 --> 02:53:38,240
because of the original nixon request

4041
02:53:43,349 --> 02:53:40,880
and now maybe they've decided it doesn't

4042
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:43,359
count anymore or it doesn't matter

4043
02:53:48,630 --> 02:53:46,160
and so i can imagine that china

4044
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:48,640
could end up making that announcement

4045
02:53:52,710 --> 02:53:50,319
russia could end up making that

4046
02:53:54,389 --> 02:53:52,720
announcement everybody's got

4047
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:54,399
craft and bodies

4048
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:56,399
and that

4049
02:54:03,590 --> 02:53:58,800
what would happen

4050
02:54:09,269 --> 02:54:05,750
loses its edge

4051
02:54:11,349 --> 02:54:09,279
in all matters related to space yeah we

4052
02:54:13,030 --> 02:54:11,359
don't hold all the cards that we used to

4053
02:54:15,910 --> 02:54:13,040
you know it's really simple it's not

4054
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:15,920
that kind of party anymore

4055
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:16,880
well

4056
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:19,680
what is there secretly

4057
02:54:27,190 --> 02:54:22,479
see the big secret space program i

4058
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:27,200
believe is a huge huge truth yeah i mean

4059
02:54:31,030 --> 02:54:28,800
i guess what i'm saying i don't know

4060
02:54:33,830 --> 02:54:31,040
yeah linda i guess what i'm saying is

4061
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:33,840
what is it that we would hold over

4062
02:54:39,910 --> 02:54:37,200
russia or china right now as as power

4063
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:39,920
cards as trump cards i just i didn't

4064
02:54:42,230 --> 02:54:41,520
mean it like that but

4065
02:54:43,910 --> 02:54:42,240
but

4066
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:43,920
i didn't mean it like you know what i

4067
02:54:47,269 --> 02:54:44,880
mean

4068
02:54:50,469 --> 02:54:47,279
there isn't a reason for them

4069
02:54:52,630 --> 02:54:50,479
to have to answer to us now

4070
02:54:54,230 --> 02:54:52,640
they obviously china is landing on the

4071
02:54:56,070 --> 02:54:54,240
dark side of the moon now right they're

4072
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:56,080
doing whatever they want to do

4073
02:55:01,030 --> 02:54:59,359
so you might you might india is going to

4074
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:01,040
be up on the moon and there's going to

4075
02:55:06,630 --> 02:55:04,000
be a lot because uh one of the things

4076
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,640
about the south pole area the shackleton

4077
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:08,399
crater of that region

4078
02:55:14,070 --> 02:55:10,560
it is the place on the moon where i

4079
02:55:16,710 --> 02:55:14,080
believe it's something like uh 96

4080
02:55:19,110 --> 02:55:16,720
of the year of a time there's always

4081
02:55:22,309 --> 02:55:19,120
sunlight there and that means that you

4082
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:22,319
could set up solar energy

4083
02:55:27,429 --> 02:55:24,560
at the south pole of the moon which is

4084
02:55:28,230 --> 02:55:27,439
where changi went they went to the south

4085
02:55:29,190 --> 02:55:28,240
pole

4086
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:29,200
uh

4087
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:31,760
india japan

4088
02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:32,960
china

4089
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:36,880
russia the united states the countries

4090
02:55:42,630 --> 02:55:40,319
that are uh wanting to have territory on

4091
02:55:44,230 --> 02:55:42,640
the moon and have permanent bases we're

4092
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:44,240
not the only one who wants to have a

4093
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:45,760
permanent base

4094
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:49,439
so suddenly all of the geopolitical

4095
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,160
sensitivities conflicts

4096
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,319
and some collaborations

4097
02:55:59,590 --> 02:55:56,960
that are on the earth surface are going

4098
02:56:02,870 --> 02:55:59,600
to be in the south pole of the moon

4099
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:02,880
and when you start looking at the future

4100
02:56:07,590 --> 02:56:05,120
and realizing that we're carrying our

4101
02:56:09,429 --> 02:56:07,600
geopolitical territorial conflicts of

4102
02:56:10,710 --> 02:56:09,439
humans with us

4103
02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:10,720
to the moon

4104
02:56:16,469 --> 02:56:13,840
unless something drastically changed now

4105
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:16,479
what could drastically change

4106
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:19,200
this is uh just putting another piece on

4107
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:22,080
this very complex chess board for people

4108
02:56:24,830 --> 02:56:23,920
to think about

4109
02:56:28,070 --> 02:56:24,840
lynn

4110
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:28,080
buchanan on phenomenon radio three years

4111
02:56:33,269 --> 02:56:30,080
ago i believe it was

4112
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:33,279
told john burroughs and me that in his

4113
02:56:35,429 --> 02:56:34,640
work

4114
02:56:39,030 --> 02:56:35,439
for

4115
02:56:40,870 --> 02:56:39,040
the defense intelligence agency

4116
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:40,880
having to do with the controlled remote

4117
02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:41,840
viewers

4118
02:56:46,710 --> 02:56:44,000
who were there in

4119
02:56:48,150 --> 02:56:46,720
the remote viewing project

4120
02:56:50,469 --> 02:56:48,160
that

4121
02:56:51,429 --> 02:56:50,479
everybody was tasked

4122
02:56:53,750 --> 02:56:51,439
with

4123
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:53,760
is there other life other consciousness

4124
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:55,279
in the universe

4125
02:57:00,230 --> 02:56:58,000
and in their project stargate

4126
02:57:01,590 --> 02:57:00,240
they all came up with that the universe

4127
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:01,600
is teeming

4128
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:05,120
with consciousness and life

4129
02:57:09,269 --> 02:57:06,319
and then

4130
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:09,279
lynn really surprised us he said

4131
02:57:14,230 --> 02:57:11,520
one of our bosses

4132
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,240
that would have been dia back at the end

4133
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:17,120
of the 80s that's when project stargate

4134
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:18,240
was

4135
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:22,000
next door to fort meade a very shiny nsa

4136
02:57:25,510 --> 02:57:24,160
building

4137
02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:25,520
that

4138
02:57:29,349 --> 02:57:27,520
they uh

4139
02:57:32,550 --> 02:57:29,359
one of these bosses

4140
02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:32,560
just in the last decade or so

4141
02:57:38,389 --> 02:57:35,359
got back in touch with lynn buchanan who

4142
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:38,399
lives down in alamogordo south of me

4143
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:39,359
and that

4144
02:57:42,150 --> 02:57:40,319
lynn

4145
02:57:44,469 --> 02:57:42,160
told us on the air

4146
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:44,479
and i talked about with him about this

4147
02:57:49,429 --> 02:57:45,840
also

4148
02:57:52,870 --> 02:57:49,439
that his old boss

4149
02:57:56,389 --> 02:57:52,880
is now the manager of interstellar trade

4150
02:57:58,550 --> 02:57:56,399
routes in an office in the pentagon

4151
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:58,560
and he said to john and me he says i'm

4152
02:58:01,110 --> 02:57:59,920
not kidding

4153
02:58:03,269 --> 02:58:01,120
and he said

4154
02:58:06,550 --> 02:58:03,279
it's my understanding

4155
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:06,560
that the grey beings the ones known as

4156
02:58:10,150 --> 02:58:08,080
the ebens

4157
02:58:13,429 --> 02:58:10,160
they would sometimes perhaps

4158
02:58:16,710 --> 02:58:13,439
deliberately create a crash

4159
02:58:18,710 --> 02:58:16,720
to put technology in our hands

4160
02:58:21,429 --> 02:58:18,720
and that they would then come back and

4161
02:58:24,150 --> 02:58:21,439
monitor what we did with technology like

4162
02:58:26,230 --> 02:58:24,160
they would seed like they were receiving

4163
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:26,240
us they were like uh

4164
02:58:31,429 --> 02:58:29,439
breadcrumbs for us to follow and then we

4165
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,439
would follow and we would make things

4166
02:58:35,590 --> 02:58:33,520
out of what they had left and they

4167
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:35,600
really liked what we made

4168
02:58:40,070 --> 02:58:38,319
and that eventually in communication

4169
02:58:42,070 --> 02:58:40,080
what they wanted are some of the things

4170
02:58:44,830 --> 02:58:42,080
that we were back engineering and that

4171
02:58:47,349 --> 02:58:44,840
that was part of this interstellar trade

4172
02:58:49,830 --> 02:58:47,359
route and

4173
02:58:51,030 --> 02:58:49,840
whatever all the details

4174
02:58:53,910 --> 02:58:51,040
are and

4175
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:53,920
if they will all be ever confirmed here

4176
02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:57,760
is to me the big bottom line

4177
02:59:02,630 --> 02:59:00,640
there is something exciting

4178
02:59:05,030 --> 02:59:02,640
about the idea

4179
02:59:07,110 --> 02:59:05,040
that we've already gone into

4180
02:59:10,070 --> 02:59:07,120
interstellar trade

4181
02:59:12,550 --> 02:59:10,080
if if lynn and and what he's saying from

4182
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:12,560
this manager this is not remote viewing

4183
02:59:17,349 --> 02:59:14,800
this is what they talked about

4184
02:59:19,590 --> 02:59:17,359
and it also ties in

4185
02:59:21,990 --> 02:59:19,600
to gary mckinnon

4186
02:59:24,790 --> 02:59:22,000
remember back in 2002

4187
02:59:27,269 --> 02:59:24,800
sure uh when he uh

4188
02:59:30,469 --> 02:59:27,279
but he doesn't like the word hacked he

4189
02:59:31,750 --> 02:59:30,479
stumbled into one of our uh

4190
02:59:34,710 --> 02:59:31,760
intel

4191
02:59:37,670 --> 02:59:34,720
uh computers by

4192
02:59:39,750 --> 02:59:37,680
his poor modem in england and what was

4193
02:59:41,269 --> 02:59:39,760
he looking at he was looking at a

4194
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:41,279
spreadsheet

4195
02:59:46,469 --> 02:59:43,840
on uh i think it was an air force base

4196
02:59:48,309 --> 02:59:46,479
or uh something it's been so long i

4197
02:59:51,510 --> 02:59:48,319
don't remember exactly where it was but

4198
02:59:53,550 --> 02:59:51,520
it was it had a title on it that he he

4199
02:59:55,190 --> 02:59:53,560
wrote down

4200
02:59:58,309 --> 02:59:55,200
non-terrestrial

4201
02:59:59,110 --> 02:59:58,319
uh was uh navigators

4202
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and

4203
03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:02,080
that uh it appeared to have something to

4204
03:00:05,429 --> 03:00:04,240
do with outer space

4205
03:00:09,590 --> 03:00:05,439
and

4206
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:09,600
was 2002

4207
03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:10,479
uh

4208
03:00:14,950 --> 03:00:13,600
i know it was public by 2002.

4209
03:00:15,830 --> 03:00:14,960
so

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03:00:18,630 --> 03:00:15,840
if

4211
03:00:21,750 --> 03:00:18,640
this is another one of the big secrets

4212
03:00:24,550 --> 03:00:21,760
maybe we've got treaties where some of

4213
03:00:27,269 --> 03:00:24,560
the allies come and they get

4214
03:00:30,389 --> 03:00:27,279
gold or they get molybdenum or they get

4215
03:00:32,870 --> 03:00:30,399
you know who knows but that we actually

4216
03:00:33,910 --> 03:00:32,880
are on a planet that has been left in

4217
03:00:37,269 --> 03:00:33,920
the dark

4218
03:00:40,790 --> 03:00:37,279
purposefully left out of an equation in

4219
03:00:43,750 --> 03:00:40,800
which a minority of the planet

4220
03:00:45,269 --> 03:00:43,760
is actually working in interstellar

4221
03:00:47,110 --> 03:00:45,279
trade

4222
03:00:49,990 --> 03:00:47,120
my god

4223
03:00:52,469 --> 03:00:50,000
it's so schizophrenic that it it numbs

4224
03:00:55,030 --> 03:00:52,479
the mind to contemplate that we're all

4225
03:00:57,510 --> 03:00:55,040
on the same planet with those kinds of

4226
03:01:01,269 --> 03:00:57,520
different realities and i

4227
03:01:03,830 --> 03:01:01,279
oh i just think it has to come into one

4228
03:01:07,190 --> 03:01:03,840
story and we have to stop living on a

4229
03:01:09,269 --> 03:01:07,200
concocted planet of lies and

4230
03:01:12,550 --> 03:01:09,279
the whole interstellar travel and you

4231
03:01:14,389 --> 03:01:12,560
know what race we just went over uh uh

4232
03:01:16,150 --> 03:01:14,399
the network uh

4233
03:01:18,230 --> 03:01:16,160
uh feed but

4234
03:01:21,910 --> 03:01:18,240
uh so race is just like freaking out

4235
03:01:28,630 --> 03:01:24,389
that's just tough this is the thing it

4236
03:01:30,630 --> 03:01:28,640
goes back to what betty hill had said

4237
03:01:33,429 --> 03:01:30,640
with her original star map

4238
03:01:35,030 --> 03:01:33,439
and how they presented her with trade

4239
03:01:36,389 --> 03:01:35,040
routes and that they've been doing this

4240
03:01:37,510 --> 03:01:36,399
forever

4241
03:01:38,309 --> 03:01:37,520
yes

4242
03:01:39,269 --> 03:01:38,319
and

4243
03:01:42,389 --> 03:01:39,279
man

4244
03:01:44,870 --> 03:01:42,399
i find that exciting not scary

4245
03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:44,880
if there are hostiles out there i want

4246
03:01:50,630 --> 03:01:48,000
to know who the hostiles are and why but

4247
03:01:53,190 --> 03:01:50,640
i want the world to have the emphasis on

4248
03:01:55,910 --> 03:01:53,200
we have allies and there are neutrals

4249
03:01:58,469 --> 03:01:55,920
and that we're still here and somebody's

4250
03:02:00,950 --> 03:01:58,479
been helping us for a long time and we

4251
03:02:03,110 --> 03:02:00,960
need to grow up and understand what this

4252
03:02:06,630 --> 03:02:03,120
universe is really about you know what

4253
03:02:08,790 --> 03:02:06,640
and i want a t-shirt from zeta reticuli

4254
03:02:13,110 --> 03:02:08,800
i'll trade

4255
03:02:15,269 --> 03:02:13,120
zeta reticuli t-shirt you'll trade an

4256
03:02:17,830 --> 03:02:15,279
earth files t-shirt for one wouldn't you

4257
03:02:21,670 --> 03:02:17,840
well and i'll bring you one of my

4258
03:02:24,790 --> 03:02:21,680
t-shirts i now have that is my mantra

4259
03:02:28,070 --> 03:02:24,800
down with entropy that's where energy

4260
03:02:30,950 --> 03:02:28,080
and everything goes to hatred and

4261
03:02:34,469 --> 03:02:30,960
conflict and war and zero

4262
03:02:37,349 --> 03:02:34,479
and up with light jimmy that's where we

4263
03:02:40,550 --> 03:02:37,359
all need to be going and that is where

4264
03:02:44,230 --> 03:02:40,560
outer space can finally pull us away

4265
03:02:47,429 --> 03:02:44,240
from all of the tribal wars on earth if

4266
03:02:51,590 --> 03:02:47,439
we know that we're not alone and that

4267
03:02:54,630 --> 03:02:51,600
there are is a huge huge bell shape of

4268
03:02:58,870 --> 03:02:54,640
so many different types of intelligences

4269
03:03:03,030 --> 03:02:58,880
oh to join that to search to evolve to

4270
03:03:05,590 --> 03:03:03,040
travel to make earth back to be a garden

4271
03:03:08,950 --> 03:03:05,600
again thank you so much linda and i'm

4272
03:03:10,230 --> 03:03:08,960
size extra large and i will all right

4273
03:03:12,309 --> 03:03:10,240
i'll bring it up

4274
03:03:14,150 --> 03:03:12,319
i'll bring one uh of course you know

4275
03:03:15,910 --> 03:03:14,160
where to come and find me a conscious

4276
03:03:17,590 --> 03:03:15,920
life and we'll we'll do the trade we'll

4277
03:03:19,269 --> 03:03:17,600
do it live on stage

4278
03:03:21,670 --> 03:03:19,279
thank you so much linda keep rolling

4279
03:03:23,429 --> 03:03:21,680
that rock uphill and we'll see you next

4280
03:03:24,870 --> 03:03:23,439
month at the conscious life expo thank

4281
03:03:28,630 --> 03:03:24,880
you so much

4282
03:03:30,469 --> 03:03:28,640
god bless linda moulton how earth files

4283
03:03:32,389 --> 03:03:30,479
earth files dot com the links of course

4284
03:03:33,830 --> 03:03:32,399
are over at jimmy church radio you can

4285
03:03:36,469 --> 03:03:33,840
click right there

4286
03:03:38,469 --> 03:03:36,479
and uh thank you race for letting us uh

4287
03:03:42,070 --> 03:03:38,479
do this little overtime tonight but it

4288
03:03:44,469 --> 03:03:42,080
is linda and that's what we have to do

4289
03:03:45,750 --> 03:03:44,479
you can follow linda on twitter at earth

4290
03:03:47,750 --> 03:03:45,760
files

4291
03:03:49,429 --> 03:03:47,760
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4292
03:03:51,510 --> 03:03:49,439
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4293
03:03:54,230 --> 03:03:51,520
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4294
03:03:57,349 --> 03:03:54,240
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4295
03:03:59,830 --> 03:03:57,359
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4296
03:04:01,910 --> 03:03:59,840
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4297
03:04:04,070 --> 03:04:01,920
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4298
03:04:07,110 --> 03:04:04,080
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4299
03:04:09,190 --> 03:04:07,120
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4300
03:04:10,950 --> 03:04:09,200
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4301
03:04:13,269 --> 03:04:10,960
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4302
03:04:15,349 --> 03:04:13,279
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4303
03:04:17,590 --> 03:04:15,359
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4304
03:04:19,670 --> 03:04:17,600
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4305
03:04:21,429 --> 03:04:19,680
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4306
03:04:23,269 --> 03:04:21,439
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4307
03:04:25,510 --> 03:04:23,279
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4308
03:04:29,190 --> 03:04:25,520
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4309
03:04:29,800 --> 03:04:29,200
do skye says to say hi to fluffy and

4310
03:04:31,830 --> 03:04:29,810
chocolate

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03:04:34,469 --> 03:04:31,840
[Music]

4312
03:04:36,230 --> 03:04:34,479
linda molten house cats

4313
03:04:39,590 --> 03:04:36,240
i'll see everybody tomorrow night our

4314
03:04:42,630 --> 03:04:39,600
guest is dr robert m shop

4315
03:04:51,330 --> 03:04:42,640
until then everybody be safe